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« on: August 17, 2011, 03:50:41 PM »
Anyone know what this graph means?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vapor-Liquid_Equilibrium_Mixture_of_Ethanol_and_Water.png

I have some ethanol with a boiling point of 358 K. Does this mean it is 50% molar water and 50% molar ethanol?

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Re: ethanol concentration
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2011, 04:26:03 PM »
Anyone know what this graph means?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vapor-Liquid_Equilibrium_Mixture_of_Ethanol_and_Water.png

I have some ethanol with a boiling point of 358 K. Does this mean it is 50% molar water and 50% molar ethanol?

More like molar fraction slightly above 0.1. 50/50 mixture will boil at 353 K.

Unless I had too much ethanol (in the form of Tokaji Furmint bought last week while driving back home :D ).
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Re: ethanol concentration
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2011, 07:22:05 PM »
If what you are saying is true, then if the boiling point is 85 C, then there is more water than ethanol.
I am having a hard time accepting that. I would expect for there to be more ethanol than water. The graph is . extremely non linear between the bp of water and the bp of ethanol.

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Re: ethanol concentration
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2011, 04:56:52 AM »
If what you are saying is true, then if the boiling point is 85 C, then there is more water than ethanol. I am having a hard time accepting that. I would expect for there to be more ethanol than water.

Why? Ethanol left the solution much earlier, at lower temperatures, it is - after all - much more volatile.
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Re: ethanol concentration
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2011, 08:36:00 AM »
Ok, I guess it is what it is.
When I distilled my liquid, the temp went from 78 to 85 C and I stopped the distillation process. Can I measure the density of the liquid and know the concentration of ethanol? (I prefer mol/L but whatever data is available is fine).
I don't have a hygrowhatever to measure the concentration.

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Re: ethanol concentration
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2011, 04:43:41 PM »
Either hydrometer to measure density, or refractometer to measure refractive index should do the trick. But if you have neither you can't measure neither.
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Re: ethanol concentration
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