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Need help with yet another question (entropy change)
« on: October 22, 2011, 12:55:31 PM »
During aerobic respiration in animals and plants, glucose is oxidised to carbon dioxide and water:

C6H12O6  +  6O2      →      6CO2   +   6H2O

Calculate the entropy change per mole of glucose at 37oC given that the enthalpy of the reaction, ΔH = -2807.8 kJ mol-1 and the free energy change, ΔG = -3089.0 kJ mol-1


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please dumb it down for me as I havent actually studied chemistry/entropy at A level.
I'd also appreciate if you could explain the theory behind the working out so i can have a better understanding
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Re: Need help with yet another question (entropy change)
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2011, 12:56:33 PM »
What is the equation that relates free energy, enthalpy, and entropy?

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Re: Need help with yet another question (entropy change)
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2011, 01:08:50 PM »
well if i had to guess it would be that funny looking equations that says:


delta G= delta H - T delta S


and if that is right I would have to guess that I would need to rearrange the equation to get delta S.
and again im guessing that the equation would look something like this:

delta S= delta H - delta G / T

and then im guessing that i would put the values for delta H and delta G into the equation. And im guessing T is for temperature? but would that be in farenhiet or celcius.


OR perhaps i just have complete misunderstood everything >.<
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Re: Need help with yet another question (entropy change)
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2011, 01:16:08 PM »
Just plug in the values. Make sure your temperature is in kelvins though.

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Re: Need help with yet another question (entropy change)
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2011, 01:25:45 PM »
That's the one!

And as Jeremy said,

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Re: Need help with yet another question (entropy change)
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2011, 01:29:49 PM »
ΔG = ΔH - TΔS

re-arranges to :

ΔS = (ΔH - ΔG) / T

Plug in the numbers, but convert celcius to kelvins by adding on 273, (37*C = 310 K).

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Re: Need help with yet another question (entropy change)
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2011, 01:31:01 PM »
thank you!!!!!!! (is happy now)
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Re: Need help with yet another question (entropy change)
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2011, 01:40:38 PM »
so it would be

Convert 37*C to K = 37 + 273 = 310 K
Convert ΔH kJ/mol-1 to J/mol = -2807.8 x1000 = -2807800 J/mol

 (ΔH - ΔG) / T = ΔS

(-2807800 – (-3089)) / 310 = -9047


what's the units? ???
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Re: Need help with yet another question (entropy change)
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2011, 01:46:20 PM »
Don't convert enthalpy to J/mol. Sorry, my mistake there.  :)

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Re: Need help with yet another question (entropy change)
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2011, 01:49:43 PM »
oh so i dont multiply by 1000?  :P

may I ask why, it made sense to do so. but now im a little confused
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Re: Need help with yet another question (entropy change)
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2011, 01:51:43 PM »
ΔG and ΔH are almost always given in kJ/mol. The units are the same so you don't need to change anything there.

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Re: Need help with yet another question (entropy change)
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2011, 01:52:05 PM »
so the answer is

Convert 37*C to K = 37 + 273 = 310 K
ΔH kJ/mol-1 = -2807.8

 (ΔH - ΔG) / T = ΔS

(-2807.8 – (-3089)) / 310 = 0.907


what are the units?
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Re: Need help with yet another question (entropy change)
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2011, 01:54:56 PM »
ΔG and ΔH are almost always given in kJ/mol. The units are the same so you don't need to change anything there.


oh I see, thank you ^_^
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Re: Need help with yet another question (entropy change)
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2011, 01:55:35 PM »
The answer is 0.907 kJ mol-1 K-1. However the size of ΔS is normally very small, so it's almost always quoted in J mol-1 K-1 which would be 907 J mol-1 K-1

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Re: Need help with yet another question (entropy change)
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2011, 02:00:47 PM »
ahh okay =] thanks again!

I think this is the only question I now know how to answer, partially because it involves an equation. otherwise i'd be even more confused than usual.
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