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Finding the volume of a solution
« on: October 29, 2011, 11:17:29 AM »
Hi,I'm new here.

I have problems finding the volumes of two solutions.

Two solutions react:
One is a solution of KOH molar concentration 0.35 M.
The other a solution of HNO3 molar concentration 0.35 M as well.
From the reaction of those two results a solution with the volume 2 L and pH=12.I need to find the initial volumes of the KOH and HNO3 solution.

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2011, 11:58:19 AM »
Hi,I'm new here.

I have problems finding the volumes of two solutions.

Two solutions react:
One is a solution of KOH molar concentration 0.35 M.
The other a solution of HNO3 molar concentration 0.35 M as well.
From the reaction of those two results a solution with the volume 2 L and pH=12.I need to find the initial volumes of the KOH and HNO3 solution.

Can you write an equation for what happens when these solutions mix? What does the pH and volume tell you about the excess of one of the reagents?

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Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2011, 02:43:55 PM »
Well the equation would be:
KOH + HNO3 -> KNO3 + H2O

Now if pH=12 that means the solution is a base.So pOH=2 therefore CM=10-2 from which the number of moles is 2*10-2=0.02.

To see which reagent is in excess I think I have to know the volumes of KOH and HNO3,calculate the number of moles and see which is bigger,thing which I don't know how to do.Is there another way to calculate the number of moles?

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2011, 03:25:34 PM »
You reported your solutions as being 0.35 M. What does the M stand for? What is it's definition? That should help you get to the number of moles...

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2011, 03:43:03 PM »
M stands for moles/liters.

So if it's 0.35 moles/1 liter then I'll get the number of moles by multiplying 0.35 by 2?So the number of moles would be 0.7 in each solution?Is it that simple? 

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2011, 04:19:49 PM »
Not quite. Your final volume is 2 L, but you don't know yet how much of each solution your are using to get there. However, if you know what the concentration of OH- is, you should be able to figure out where it came from, and how much of each solution you needed.

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2011, 04:21:47 AM »
Since KOH -> K++OH-.That means in KOH there is one mole oh OH and 1 mole of K,so the concentration of
KOH is the same with the concentration of OH and is 0.02?

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2011, 06:36:25 AM »
Since KOH -> K++OH-.That means in KOH there is one mole oh OH and 1 mole of K,so the concentration of KOH is the same with the concentration of OH and is 0.02?

Yes - just remember this is excess.

Assume you mixed VKOH and VHNO3.

Can you express the final volume (2 L) using these two unknowns?

Use the stoichiometry information to express the final concentration of excess KOH in terms of VKOH and VHNO3 and the final volume (2L).

This gives two equations in two unknowns.
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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2011, 07:18:04 AM »
Well since stoichiometrically 1 mole of KOH reacts with 1 mole of HNO3,if KOH=x then HNO3=x as well
I think since Volume=molar concentration*number of moles it would go like this:
0.35*number of molesKOH+0.35*number of molesHNO3=2
And the number of moles of KOH=x+0.02 while the number of moles of HNO3=x.
So I guess the final equation is:0.35*(x+0.02)+0.35x=2.
Did I get it right?


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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2011, 07:30:26 AM »
Volume=molar concentration*number of moles

No, it doesn't go this way. Please check.
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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2011, 09:10:22 AM »
Oops checked it's Volume=number of moles/molar concentration.

So then the equation is:
x+0.02/0.35+x/0.35=2 ?

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2011, 02:32:44 PM »
Well for sure it's not done well because I've solved it and the volume of KOH would be 0.36 and of HNO3 0.34.And I have the answers and it's not that.Wonder what I didn't do well...

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2011, 03:39:03 PM »
What are the units that you get? 0.36 and 0.34 what?

Just a tiny hint:

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And the number of moles of KOH=x+0.02 while the number of moles of HNO3=x.

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2011, 03:51:54 PM »
Well 0.36 and 0.34 moles.
Edited cause I meant moles.

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2011, 03:59:48 PM »
Well 0.36 and 0.34 liters.

If that is the case, what is the total volume?

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