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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2011, 04:04:49 PM »
It's 1.02 liters of KOH and 0.97 liters of HNO3.

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2011, 04:16:34 PM »
Did I calculate it right?

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2011, 04:20:14 PM »
It's 1.02 liters of KOH and 0.97 liters of HNO3.

So now you have an excess of 50 ml, 0.35M KOH. How many moles is this?

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2011, 04:26:27 PM »
It's 0.89 moles.

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2011, 04:28:08 PM »
It's 0.89 moles.

Is 0.89 mol in 2 litres of solution the right concentration to give the pH you require?

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2011, 04:30:51 PM »
No....

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2011, 04:37:01 PM »
No....

OK, so we've made an error somewhere.

If you have VB litres of KOH, how many litres of acid do we have, to make a total solution of 2 litres?

If we have VB litres of 0.35 M KOH, how many moles of KOH do we have?

From the first part, how many moles of 0.35 M HNO3 do we have?

What should the difference of these last two be, to give a pH of 12 at the end?

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2011, 11:12:29 AM »
Vbliters? I don't get it...you mean like if Vb is the unknown?

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2011, 11:46:02 AM »
Vbliters? I don't get it...you mean like if Vb is the unknown?


Yes, you have two unknowns, VB litres of base, and VA of acid.

You can formulate several equations using these to eventually get the data you want.

For instance, as the total volume is 2 litres, VA + VB = 2.

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2011, 12:03:25 PM »
Ah,got it now.
Well if it's Va+Vb=2,then Va=2-Vb.
If we have 0.35 KOH and 0.35 HNO3 Vb=x/0.35 and Va=x/0.35 but if pH=12 and the volume is 2 L then the difference between them in 0.02.So Vb=x+0.02/0.35 and Va=x/0.35.So if I add those two I get the same equation I got before....

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2011, 12:25:36 PM »
Maybe it's just a rounding issue then. Can you post the rest of your working, but don't round figures off prematurely.

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2011, 01:18:36 PM »
x/0.35+x+0.02/0.35=2
(2x+0.02)/0.35=2
2x=0.68
x=0.34
So the volume of HNO3=0.34 and the volume of KOH=0.36.And I've done no rounding.
The 0.35 of KOH is though a bit hard to read cause it's a copy it might be 0.25.I'll try and re analyze.
Many thanks.

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Re: Finding the volume of a solution
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2011, 06:19:01 PM »
x/0.35+x+0.02/0.35=2
(2x+0.02)/0.35=2
2x=0.68
x=0.34
So the volume of HNO3=0.34 and the volume of KOH=0.36.And I've done no rounding.
The 0.35 of KOH is though a bit hard to read cause it's a copy it might be 0.25.I'll try and re analyze.
Many thanks.

No, I think the number of moles of KOH and HNO3 are as you've calculated, check your units.

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