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Solubility
« on: October 13, 2005, 02:12:43 AM »
the solubility of Ca(OH)2 is 0.0510g/100mL H2O at 25 C.

calculate [Ca2+] and [OH-] in standard solution of Ca(OH)2.

Calculate the value of Ksp.
I know Ksp = [Ca2+][OH-]2
but I cannot find Ksp before I determine the concentrations of the products. And I'm having a little bit of trouble doing that.

Here's what I have done so far:

(0.0510g/100mL H2O) * (1000mL H2O / 74.096g/mol a(OH)2) = 0.00688296mol/L Ca(OH)2  and water

my question is - what do I do with this water? do I simply disregard it and continue with the problem?

if I just ignore the water, I can form my ice table and easily find that the concentrations are:
[Ca2+] = 0.0068829 M
[OH-] = 1.8950055E-4 M

Ksp = 1.30431E-6 M

does that look ok to you guys?

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Re:Solubility
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2005, 04:36:26 AM »
Calculate the value of Ksp.
I know Ksp = [Ca2+][OH-]2
but I cannot find Ksp before I determine the concentrations of the products. And I'm having a little bit of trouble doing that.

Here's what I have done so far:

(0.0510g/100mL H2O) * (1000mL H2O / 74.096g/mol a(OH)2) = 0.00688296mol/L Ca(OH)2  and water

So far so good.

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my question is - what do I do with this water? do I simply disregard it and continue with the problem?

I have no idea why water makes any difficulty here. You have a solution of Ca(OH)2 and you assume what was dissolved is completely dissociated. Water is just a solvent. You have correctly calculated concentration of Ca(OH)2.

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if I just ignore the water, I can form my ice table and easily find that the concentrations are:
[Ca2+] = 0.0068829 M
[OH-] = 1.8950055E-4 M

What do you use ICE table for? Assume all calcium hydroxide is dissociated.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2005, 04:38:34 AM by Borek »
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Re:Solubility
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2005, 04:45:18 AM »
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[OH-] = 1.8950055E-4 M
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[OH-] = 2[Ca2+]
You can neglect {OH-} from water because [OH-] from water is ~100000 times less than [OH-] from Ca(OH)2
« Last Edit: October 13, 2005, 04:45:58 AM by AWK »
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Re:Solubility
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2005, 11:22:37 AM »
wouldn't [OH-] = 2[Ca2+]2 ?

alright guys - thank you very much! ... just one more question... ;)

now if I wanted to neutralize 10mL of this solution with 0.0150M HCl how would I determine the volume HCl required?

Here's what I have done thus far:

now a neutralized solution would have a Ksp of 7 right?
as it stands now, the Ksp of HCl is 4.7375E-5

how do I go about doing a neutralzation problem? I'm not really sure how to start going about neutralizing 10 mL  :-\ sorry guys - but I'd really appreciate your input.


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Re:Solubility
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2005, 12:33:24 PM »
wouldn't [OH-] = 2[Ca2+]2 ?

No. Where did yiu get the square from?

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now if I wanted to neutralize 10mL of this solution with 0.0150M HCl how would I determine the volume HCl required?

Simple stoichiometric problem. Write down the reaction equation and you are almost done.

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now a neutralized solution would have a Ksp of 7 right?
as it stands now, the Ksp of HCl is 4.7375E-5

No. Not everything in chemistry is called Ksp. Solution doesn't have Ksp, HCl doesn't have Ksp.
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Re:Solubility
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2005, 01:08:48 PM »
oh ok - makes sense, thanks borek  :P

ok so here's how far I've gotten with this stoicheometry reaction stuff:

0.0068296mol/L Ca(OH)2 * 0.01L *0.0150mol/L HCl * 36.458g/mol HCl * 74.096g/mol Ca(OH)2 = 0.002767 g2/L

how do i get it in just litres? Is it alright the way I did it?

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Re:Solubility
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2005, 01:18:19 PM »
Forget about grams, all you have to do is to calculate number of HCl moles necessary for neutralization, then calculate volume of the solution that contains this number of moles. n=CV stuff.

Where did you get g2/L from? Seems you like everything squared :)
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Re:Solubility
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2005, 01:44:24 PM »
yeah i guess I do  ::) haha

ok, now how do I know when my solution becomes neutralized?
is it just a ration thing? in that case there is a 1:1 ration between Ca(OH)2 and HCl

so then I move onto my C1V1=C2V2
(0.0068296)(0.01) / 0.0150 = 0.0045531 L

does that look ok?

sorry if it seems like I need to be led by the hand.... I really trying to understand this solubility stuff, just takes me a little longer.   :)

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Re:Solubility
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2005, 01:44:57 PM »
* ration = ratio
TYPO - my bad  :D

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Re:Solubility
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2005, 02:04:33 PM »
ok, now how do I know when my solution becomes neutralized?
is it just a ration thing? in that case there is a 1:1 ration between Ca(OH)2 and HCl

No. Solution is neutralized when all OH- ions reacted with H+.
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Re:Solubility
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2005, 02:34:46 PM »
okay.

so how about if I do this:

10mL Ca(OH)2 * 1L/1000mL * 0.0136592 mol OH-/L NaOH = 1.36592E-4 mol OH-

then since H+ ions react with OH- ions in a 1:2 ratio we need 6.8296E-5 mol of H+ ions to neutralize the reaction. so,

V * 0.0150 mol H+ / L = 6.8296E-5
V = 0.00455 L of HCl is required to neutralize the reaction.

Does this look better?

*crosses fingers* :P

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Re:Solubility
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2005, 02:58:56 PM »
0.0136592 mol

Where did you get this value from?

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then since H+ ions react with OH- ions in a 1:2 ratio

No. They react 1:1. Ca(OH)2 reacts 2:1 with HCl.

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Does this look better?

Not for me. My result is twice as much.

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*crosses fingers*

Didn't help.
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Re:Solubility
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2005, 03:06:11 PM »
Quote: "Where did you get this value from?"

2mol OH for every mole Ca(OH)2

so I should try again with .oo688 instead of .013?

but the rest looks ok?

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