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Offline CrimpJiggler

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Why aren't alkyl halides nucleophiles?
« on: November 28, 2011, 07:44:08 AM »
I've read about halide ions being nucleophiles but have never heard of neutral halogens acting as nucleophiles. I'll use CH3F as an example. This is a highly polar molecule, the should have a strong partial negative charge. Why doesn't the flourine atom add to electrophiles such as carbonyl carbons?

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Re: Why aren't alkyl halides nucleophiles?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2011, 10:42:58 PM »
Are you suggesting this?



- Strong covalent C-F bond (540 kJ mol-1).  Energy imbalance if breaking one of the C-O bonds.
- Making the highly electronegative (and very happy F) electron deficient.

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Re: Why aren't alkyl halides nucleophiles?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2011, 02:27:19 PM »
In general, are halide ions (in alkyl halides) better:

1. leaving groups?

-OR-

2. nucleophiles?

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Re: Why aren't alkyl halides nucleophiles?
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2012, 04:11:38 PM »
I know halides make good leaving groups. I don't know what the relationship between leaving groups and nucleophiles is though.

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Re: Why aren't alkyl halides nucleophiles?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2012, 05:58:59 AM »
It's obvious that halide ions are good nucleophiles, since they have -ve charge and are attracted to +ve charge

The neutral halide CH3F however,is polar i.e. there is a  :delta:+ on the carbon and a  :delta:- on the fluorine. Since fluorine is a better leaving group than a nucleophile, in the presence of a nucleophile e.g. a base, the carbon prefers to act as an electrophile being attacked by the base, pushing the fluorine out since it is a good leaving group. E.g. an SN2 mechanism
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