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Magnetite
« on: January 12, 2012, 06:25:20 AM »
What is the mass share(%) of Fe in magnetite if o,268g of magnetite after dissolution in an acid and reduction, spents 48cm3 solution of KMnO4, c=0,0115mol/dm3?    (77,61%)

Please help me, I am doing this the whole day and I can't get the good result.

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Re: Magnetite
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 06:44:09 AM »
Show how you are getting the bad result.
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Re: Magnetite
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 08:28:48 AM »
Just as written, we can't see where you're wrong.  As a suggestion, lets see the balanced chemical reactions. There are two, maybe you can't figure out one, because you don't have the formula for magnetite, and the problem is meant to determine it?  At any rate, can we see the formula for the reduction?
Hey, I'm not judging.  I just like to shoot straight.  I'm a man of science.

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Re: Magnetite
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2012, 05:50:55 AM »
The biggest problem is the first reaction, I wrote it this way:
Fe3O4+2H(+)-->3FeO+H2O and then
FeO+KMnO4+10H+-->Fe(3+)+K(+)+Mn(2+)+5H2O is this right?

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Re: Magnetite
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2012, 06:23:08 AM »
Don't worry about the first reaction - it doesn't matter.

After dissolving the sample you convert all the iron to Fe2+. You don't titrate the FeO suspension, but Fe2+ solution. This way you determine the total amount of the iron in the sample.

Neither of your reactions is properly balanced - you have not balanced charges. In the first equation 2+ miraculously disappears, in the second 4+. Charge is conserved, just like atoms are.
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Re: Magnetite
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2012, 06:40:08 AM »
Ok thank you. I balanced it this way: 5Fe(2+)+KMnO4+8H+-->5Fe(3+)+K(+)+Mn(2+)+4H2O and I got the result 77,73%.

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Re: Magnetite
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2012, 07:29:21 AM »
Strange. Your reaction equation is OK, but 77.7% (which is apparently very close to the book answer) is not the result I got using numbers you provided in your first post.
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Re: Magnetite
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2012, 07:46:14 AM »
I wrote the problem right, maybe it's a mistake in the book. Anyway, thank you for helping me.

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Re: Magnetite
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2012, 07:49:21 AM »
I wrote the problem right, maybe it's a mistake in the book.

Then there is a probability your answer is wrong as well. Please show how you got your result.
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Re: Magnetite
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2012, 08:58:48 AM »
I calculate the number of moles of KMnO4: n=CV=7,44*10^-4 moles, then I multiply it by 5 so I get the amount of iron in the sample n(Fe)=3,72*10^-3 moles and the mass is: m=M*n=0,20832g
0,20832/0,268*100=77,73%

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Re: Magnetite
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2012, 01:35:03 PM »
I calculate the number of moles of KMnO4: n=CV=7,44*10^-4 moles

How come? 0.048L*0.0115mol/L=5.52x10-4 moles.
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Re: Magnetite
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2012, 01:55:12 PM »
Oh, I've mistaken, while calculating I wrote 0,0155 instead of 0,0115.

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