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Hindenburg Fact and Myth
« on: June 04, 2004, 12:08:05 AM »
It is hard to believe that any scientist (chemist) would embrace the theory that incendiary paint was the driving factor behind the Hindenburg disaster. The airship was full of hydrogen as a lifting gas, which has been shown to be very combustible. This paint theory has spread across the Internet and now seems to take on an air of fact when it has a likely hood of being untrue. The web location below has a link to a pdf file that debunks the Addison Bain theory. Integral to this refutation is an analysis of the chemistry involved.
http://spot.colorado.edu/~dziadeck/zf/LZ129fire.htm

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Re:Hindenburg Fact and Myth
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2004, 08:09:02 AM »
I've never actually believed that it was just the paint, nor just the hydrogen, that led to the disaster.  It was a combination of things.  They had nitrocellulouse as a padding material for the hydrogen cells, then they had powdered aluminum covering an iron oxide sheeting over those cells.  The combination of the hydrogen gas, the thermite covering, and the guncotton insulation all led to the disaster.  If it was just the hydrogen, then the disaster would not have been nearly as bad as there was no way that enough oxygen could fuel the fire.  As soon as the cells burst, the hydrogen would easily escape and diffuse up into the atmosphere.  It was the guncotton and thermite reaction going on which helped fuel the fire.
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Re:Hindenburg Fact and Myth
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2004, 02:17:20 PM »
I would have to say Jdurg is right on this one, you have freaking thermite resting on guncotton in a balloon of hydrogen. If you look at those references they are all physicist by the way.
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Re:Hindenburg Fact and Myth
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2004, 04:24:40 PM »
Who would design a flying bomb like that? I mean, really, thats just asking for it. Then again, did chemists know about all that stuff back then? I KNOW they knew about guncotton, cause that showed up in the upper half of the 19th century.

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Re:Hindenburg Fact and Myth
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2004, 04:39:14 PM »
Chemists didn't design the Hindenburg.  Government people did.  To the government, it's all about the money; safety comes second.  Germany did not have access to any helium, but hydrogen is very easy to come by.  So they decided to use hydrogen.  It worked just fine for them on many, many, many occasions.  The Hindenburg incident was just a one-in-a-million occurance where everything that needed to go wrong for it to explode went wrong.  
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2004, 05:08:04 PM »
but why the thermite protective sheet? And what good is nitrocellulose in something like that? traps air and heat better?

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Re:Hindenburg Fact and Myth
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2004, 09:02:14 PM »
jdurg - Mitch - Corvettaholic

You must have missed the link and therefore did not read the PDF file

The web site is

http://spot.colorado.edu/~dziadeck/zf/LZ129fire.htm

and the PDF file is

http://spot.colorado.edu/~dziadeck/zf/LZ129fire.pdf

I know that it is a long paper but you should read it in its entirety.
Each of you has stated apparent untruths in the face of that paper.
Are you just regurgitating rumors you have heard in the past?

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