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e- transition w/polar solvent
« on: February 08, 2006, 03:17:43 AM »
For a compound having n, pi & pi* orbitals (e.g. carbonyl group), it can undergo n-->pi* and pi-->pi* tansitions.
The absroption wavelength (lambda maximum) of n-->pi* is longer than that of pi--pi* as the energy gap between n & pi* is smaller than pi & pi*.

Under polar solvent, the absorption of n-->pi* will shift to shorter wavelength while for pi-->pi* will shift to longer wavelength because the polar solvent stabilizes these three orbitals in different extent, n > pi* > pi.

The reason for this stabilizing effect from my lecture note is that the pi* orbital is more molar than pi orbital (just concern about pi & pi* at this moment) as polar solvent stabilizes polar substances more.
However, I don't know why pi* orbital is more polar.

In my opinion, there is interaction between pi/pi* orbital and orbitals from polar solvent molecules which generates new MOs which are more stable. Moreover, the interaction is much better for pi* orbitals than pi orbital.

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Re:e- transition w/polar solvent
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2006, 03:34:17 AM »
Draw a pi* orbital you'll see its much more polar than a pi orbital.
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Re:e- transition w/polar solvent
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2006, 04:06:43 AM »
I know their shapes, but I don't know what governs the dipole moment of the orbitals.
(It seems that there is no net dipole in pi* orbital)
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Re:e- transition w/polar solvent
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2006, 04:30:11 AM »
If you know the shape of pi* then you would know that carbon has a large amount of electron density and oxygen much less. So there would be a dipole moment.
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Re:e- transition w/polar solvent
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2006, 07:32:42 AM »
Mmm...I know that too, but I think I am asking alkenes not C=O. ;D
So, for C=O, how can I determine that pi* is more polar than pi as pi-orbital is also polar?

By the way, for alkene pi-->pi* transition, there should be no solvent effect, right?
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Re:e- transition w/polar solvent
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2006, 07:57:49 AM »
I don't think there would be a solvent effect for alkenes. A bonding pi orbital can't be that polarized since their shaing electron density. ;)
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Re:e- transition w/polar solvent
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2006, 06:50:24 AM »
If you know the shape of pi* then you would know that carbon has a large amount of electron density and oxygen much less. So there would be a dipole moment.
However, larger lobes of pi* orbital on carbon side doesn't mean that the electron density is higher at carbon atom, right?

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Re:e- transition w/polar solvent
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2006, 01:15:52 PM »
I thought that was what it meant.
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2006, 05:36:06 AM »
For a carbonyl ligand, the reason for which atom attaching to a metal centre is that the shape of the HOMO having a larger lobe on carbon side, that mean more e- density on carbon side?

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Re:e- transition w/polar solvent
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2006, 12:37:17 PM »
Yes, thats what I thought.
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