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How do I solve this? {solubility product}
« on: April 13, 2012, 11:22:19 AM »
Here is my question:
A sample of AgCl was treated with 5ml of 2M Na2CO3 solution to produce Ag2CO3. The remaining solution contained 0.003 g of Cl- (Chloride Ion) per litre. Calculate the solubility product of AgCl.(Ksp of Ag2CO3 = 8.2 *10-12).
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Re: How do I solve this?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2012, 05:33:43 AM »
Please help.

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Re: How do I solve this?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2012, 07:44:21 AM »
You have to show your attempts at solving the question to receive help. This is a forum policy.

Please list all related equations that can be used when solving this type of the problem.
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Re: How do I solve this?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 10:12:23 PM »
I calculated the concentration by dividing gm/litre by 35.5 to give molarity. But, I am now stuck at calucating the solubility product of AgCl. This is all I could do.
Relevent Equations:
ksp of AgCl=[Ag+]*[Cl-]

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Re: How do I solve this?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2012, 01:30:40 AM »
You have two solubility equilibriums in your solution: AgCl and Ag2CO3. Concentration of Ag+ is the same in both equilibriums.
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Re: How do I solve this?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 08:51:22 AM »
So, 0.01 moles of Na2CO3 produces 0.01 moles of Ag2CO3 in 5ml solution. I think the solubility of Ag2CO3 must be same as that of Na2CO3.
Then,
ksp of Ag2CO3 = [2xSolubility]2x[Solubility]
or, Solubility = 1.270334x10-4 == Concentration of [Ag+]
Now,
[Cl-]=0.003/35.5 M = 8.45 x 10-5
Therefore, I think Ksp of AgCl should be:
Ksp = 1.270334x10-4 x 8.45 x 10-5 = 1.073 X 10-8.

Is this correct?
I wonder why concentration and volume of Na2CO3 was given.

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Re: How do I solve this?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2012, 10:14:46 AM »
So, 0.01 moles of Na2CO3 produces 0.01 moles of Ag2CO3 in 5ml solution.

That would mean much higher concentration of Cl-.

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I think the solubility of Ag2CO3 must be same as that of Na2CO3.

Impossible - one is well soluble, the other is weakly soluble, you should know that.

Try to describe - in words - what is happening when you add the carbonate solution to the solid AgCl.
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Re: How do I solve this?
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2012, 04:57:25 AM »
I am little confused with Solubility product.
To describe what is happening with it, AgCl must have been excess. So, when Na2CO3 is added Ag2Co3 is formed along with excess AgCl that remained in solution.

That's all I got. Please show the solution and I will try to understand and write my understanding here.

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Re: How do I solve this?
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 05:19:16 AM »
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AgCl must have been excess
Solid AgCl is in the excess.
And CO32- is in the large excess.
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Re: How do I solve this?
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2012, 05:21:58 AM »
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And CO32- is in the large excess.
How did you get that? If AgCl was excess, shouldn't all Na2CO3 be consumed?

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Re: How do I solve this?
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2012, 05:50:25 AM »
AgCl is solid, the only way for the Ag2CO3 to be created is to first dissolve the AgCl, then to precipitate Ag2CO3. Whether it may happen or not depends on the combination of solubility products, but even if it happens, it is a very slow process. It doesn't happen here, which is obvious when you look at the concentration of chlorides - it tells you only a very tiny amount of AgCl dissolved.

In this particular case you are adding relatively concentrated carbonate to the saturated solution of the AgCl. What is happening is that some carbonate precipitates (removing part of Ag+ from the solution). When Ag+ is removed, a little bit of additional AgCl dissolves, till you reach a new equilibrium with two solids present - AgCl and Ag2CO3. When both solids are present, both Ksp are at work. In general this leads to a rather nasty set of equations, however, we know that the amount of AgCl dissolved was small - so we also know amount of precipitated carbonate was small. If so, concentration of CO32- is practically unchanged.
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Re: How do I solve this?
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2012, 09:35:04 AM »
I think I got it:

Ksp=[Ag+]*[Cl-]

From given Cl- concentration,
[Cl-]=0.003/35.5 M = 8.45 x 10-5 mol/litre

As,concentration of CO3-- is practically unchanged,
Ksp of Ag2CO3=[Ag+]2 x [CO3--]
or,  8.2 x 10-12 = x2 x 2     (2M Na2CO3 => [CO3--] = 2M)
=>x= 2.025 x 10-6 = [Ag+]
So,
Ksp of AgCl = 2.025x10-6 x 8.45 x 10-5
=1.7*10-10

Did I get right?

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Re: How do I solve this?
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2012, 09:58:51 AM »
Looks OK :)
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Re: How do I solve this?
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2012, 03:43:52 AM »
Thank you for helping.

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