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electron count of [Ru2Cl3(PR3)3]+
« on: April 23, 2012, 03:35:53 AM »
Hi all, this is a ruthenium complex with 3 terminal phosphines ligands, and 3 bridging chlorido ligands with a net positive charge of +1. I tried using the Ionic method to do so, with Ru2+ = 6e, 3x chloride ions = 6e, and 3x phosphine ligands = 6e, yielding a total of 18 electrons.

However, with the covalent method, Ru = 8e, 3x bridging chlorido ligands = 3e, 3x phosphine ligands =6e, and a charge of +1, yielding a total of 16 electrons.

Can someone enlighten me why these 2 methods are inconsistent?
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Re: electron count of Ru2Cl3(PR3)3+
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2012, 03:54:48 AM »
Why did you use Ru+2 oxidation number. Ru3+ is evident from your formula Ru2Cl3(PR3)3+
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Re: electron count of [Ru2Cl3(PR3)3]+
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2012, 04:20:48 AM »
Why did you use Ru+2 oxidation number. Ru3+ is evident from your formula Ru2Cl3(PR3)3+
sorry for the misleading title. What I described in the text is still correct.

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Re: electron count of [Ru2Cl3(PR3)3]+
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2012, 09:24:57 AM »
Show drawing of corrected structure and calculations for both methods  instead of describing them. Ru2Cl3 with 3 bridging chlorides usually contains 6 phosphine molecules and show octahedral coordination of both ruthenium cations.
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Re: electron count of [Ru2Cl3(PR3)3]+
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2012, 12:02:38 PM »
Hint: The correct formula is [Ru2(μ-Cl)3(PR3)6]+ : symmetrical [P3Ru((μ-Cl)3RuP3]^+. 
You have TWO Ru atoms.  In your e⁻ bookkeeping you'll get ½e⁻s. 
Both e⁻ counting schemes work as they must.
[There is no Ru-Ru bond (X-ray).]

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Re: electron count of [Ru2Cl3(PR3)3]+
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2012, 05:33:42 AM »
I solved it. Thanks

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Re: electron count of [Ru2Cl3(PR3)3]+
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2012, 08:58:44 AM »
In conclusion: the Ru atoms are Ru(II) and each have an 18e⁻ configuration.
The ion obeys the 18 Electron Rule.

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