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need help with reaction
« on: May 24, 2012, 03:21:33 PM »
Hi everyone!
I'm a second year master student. I'm writting my master thesis in organic chemistry. In one week I have to submit my work, but I still have to run three reactions. Please, I need help. I'm close to cracking up.
So, the problem... I need to generate extra carbon instead of secondary alcohol group. I tried to run tosylation, mesylation and triflation reactions. Nothing works. I think I could try to make halogenation reaction using N-chlorosuccinimide or bromosuccinimide. Which would be better??? And next reaction what I am planning to run is cyanation (instead of halogen [Br or Cl]). What is your experience in this area?

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Re: need help with reaction
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2012, 03:25:09 PM »
Hi everyone!
I'm a second year master student. I'm writting my master thesis in organic chemistry. In one week I have to submit my work, but I still have to run three reactions. Please, I need help. I'm close to cracking up.
So, the problem... I need to generate extra carbon instead of secondary alcohol group. I tried to run tosylation, mesylation and triflation reactions. Nothing works. I think I could try to make halogenation reaction using N-chlorosuccinimide or bromosuccinimide. Which would be better??? And next reaction what I am planning to run is cyanation (instead of halogen [Br or Cl]). What is your experience in this area?



Can you please post the reaction you are attempting in general terms, showing the transformation you wish to make. It makes it easier to understand. Thanks
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Re: need help with reaction
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2012, 03:45:27 PM »
I have a secondary alcohol. I need to generate extra carbon instead of  alcohol group. It could be done in two steps. I tried to make tosylation, mesylation and triflation of alcohol group and I planed to make cyanation (using KCN and 18-crown-6) as next reaction. But nor tosylation, mesylation and triflation didn't work. So, new plan is to make halogenation reaction and after that cyanation reaction.Also my molecule has three stereocenters and I can't lose them. And other end of molecule has C=C double bond which also can't be lost.

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Re: need help with reaction
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2012, 03:47:17 PM »
And question is which halogen is more active: chlorosuccinimide or bromosuccinimide. And do you have any suggestions for next (cyanation) reaction?

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Re: need help with reaction
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2012, 03:49:20 PM »
What do you mean by "I need to generate extra carbon instead of alcohol group" ? Are you trying to replace the -OH group with a methyl group? Or are you trying to change the -OH group into a leaving group that you can substitute using CN- as a nucleophile?

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Re: need help with reaction
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2012, 03:52:41 PM »
I need to replace -OH group with CN group and last reaction will be replacing nitrogen in CN group with C-OH.

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Re: need help with reaction
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2012, 04:01:04 PM »
I need to replace -OH group with CN group and last reaction will be replacing nitrogen in CN group with C-OH.

When you said that tosylation etc. dod not work what happened exactly? Did you recover all your starting alcohol?
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Re: need help with reaction
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2012, 04:06:02 PM »
After tosylation and mesylation reactions I recovered my starting material ( secondary alcohol). But after triflation reaction I couldn't recover my starting material.

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Re: need help with reaction
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2012, 04:15:00 PM »
After tosylation and mesylation reactions I recovered my starting material ( secondary alcohol). But after triflation reaction I couldn't recover my starting material.

Try making a mixed anhydride with iButyl chloroformate then carry out the cyanide reaction.
You may be able to isolate the mixed anhydride.
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Re: need help with reaction
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2012, 04:16:57 PM »
There is an other problem. I have only 30mg left of my starting material. :(

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Re: need help with reaction
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2012, 04:18:02 PM »
Therefor, I am looking for reaction which must work for secondary alcohols.

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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2012, 04:21:03 PM »
There is an other problem. I have only 30mg left of my starting material. :(

Then make more!!!!
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Re: need help with reaction
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2012, 04:25:52 PM »
This is 16 step synthesis! And I am on 13th step.

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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2012, 04:27:31 PM »
This is 16 step synthesis! And I am on 13th step.

Then you are stuck with 30mg fr the mixed anhydride.
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Re: need help with reaction
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2012, 04:30:29 PM »
what do you mean by mixed anhydride

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