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chemical equilibria: calculating the potential
« on: November 19, 2005, 04:40:43 PM »
The question says:
The standard potentials at 25 degrees Celsius of the half-cells Pt/Fe3+,Fe2+ and Pt/I2,I- are +0.771V and +0.620V respectively. Neglecting activity coefficients, calculate the potential
i) on a platinum wire dipping into a solution containing 1x10^-5 mol Fe(NO3)3 per kg of solvent and 1 x 10^2 mol Fe(NO3)2 per kg of solvent

Please check if I answered this correctly:

Fe/Fe3+//I2/I-

I2   +   Fe2+    ->    Fe3+    +     I-

Q=[Fe3+]/[Fe2+] = (10^-5)/(10^-2)
E=(0.620)-(0.771)=-0.771V
E=E-(RT/nF)ln Q where n = 2, R = 8.31451070, T = 298.15, F=9.648530929
=-0.68V
« Last Edit: November 19, 2005, 05:00:03 PM by Mitch »

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Re:chemical equilibria: calculating the potential
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2005, 08:06:53 AM »
Ummm... No one knows?  

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Re:chemical equilibria: calculating the potential
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2005, 04:24:16 PM »
nobody knows? you just have to be patient.

anyway, you are wrong.

E=Eo-(RT/nF)ln Q is for finding the electrode potential of one oxidised species to its corresponding reduced potential, from the standard value.

Use the above equation to Eoxd and Ered, then you can find Ecell by using Ecell = Eoxd + Ered

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Re:chemical equilibria: calculating the potential
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2005, 04:34:53 PM »
Thanks a lot.

I was told today that we haven't covered the necessary material to answer this question, which is why I couldn't do it.  

I'll use your information and a physical book to see if I can answer it before I go the lecture.

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Re:chemical equilibria: calculating the potential
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2005, 12:52:30 PM »
It should've been: E=(0.620)-(0.771)=-0.151V

I'm still stuck with this question. The lecture didn't really help.  ::)

I'm not sure but I think I found the Ecell as you said above.

But the question is saying about a Pt wire dipping into a solution of 10^-5 mol/L of Fe3+ and 10^-2 Fe2+. What do I do with these concentrations?

Please help, it's due in for Monday. All I can think of is Nerst equation... which you told me is wrong.


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Re:chemical equilibria: calculating the potential
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2005, 01:07:10 PM »
The question out in full is:
The standard potentials at 25 degrees Celsius of the half-cells Pt/Fe3+,Fe2+ and Pt/I2,I- are +0.771V and +0.620V respectively. Neglecting activity coefficients, calculate the potential
i) on a platinum wire dipping into a solution containing 1x10^-5 mol Fe(NO3)3 per kg of solvent and 1 x 10^2 mol Fe(NO3)2 per kg of solvent
ii)on a platinum wire dipping into a solution containing 1x10^-3mol of free iodine and 1x10^-2 mol of KI per kg of solvent. neglect the possible formation of I3- ion.

What chemical reaction, if any, occurs when the wires are removed and equal volumes of the two solutions i and ii above are mixed? Justify your answer.

I think if I can do i) I should be able to apply the same thing to the rest of the question.

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Re:chemical equilibria: calculating the potential
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2005, 01:40:45 PM »
i) You just need to calculate E for this electrode?

EFe3+/Fe2+° = +0.771V

Fe3+ + e- -> Fe2+

E = E° - 0.0592 log (1x10^-2 / 1 x 10^-5)

...someone will be furious with me for this ;D
« Last Edit: November 26, 2005, 01:53:46 PM by Albert »

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Re:chemical equilibria: calculating the potential
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2005, 02:25:20 PM »
I think Albert is correct - Thank you so much.

I started to work on this question again now, and I was thinking.. why am I doing 0.771-0.620, when the first part of the question has nothing to do with I2 and I-. standard electrode is just 0.771 as albert said. Then because two concentrations are given, I think Nerst equation must be used. I know R, T, n (the equation of Fe3+ + e- -> Fe2+: 1 electron is transferred), F and standard E is 0.771 as above.
Q, the reaction quotient is to do with the concentrations of Fe3+ and Fe2+. The only problem is that I don't know if it is Fe3+/Fe2+ or Fe2+/Fe3+. I looked in my lecture note and it says /[oxd] so I think [Fe2+]/[Fe3+] = [10^-2]/[10^-3] as albert put is right.

Thanks again, I think I can do the rest by myself now.

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