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Offline Araconan

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Is Thermodynamics Contradictory?
« on: August 11, 2012, 04:05:32 PM »
When studying the thermodynamics behind gases, my textbook states that the Energy "heat" required to change the energy of 1 mole of an ideal gas by ΔT is 3/2 RΔT, which was derived from the equation (KE)avg = 3/2 RT. So is it then correct to state that q = 3/2 RΔT per mole? (Where q can then be qv or qp depending on whether the gas is heated at a constant pressure or a constant volume)

Furthermore, after considering the two scenarios of heating the gas at a constant volume and a constant pressure, deriving the equations Cv  = 3/2R (per mole, increasing by 1K), and Cp = CV + R = 5/2R (per mole, increasing by 1K), it goes on to state that for an ideal gas, E = 3/2 RT. This is the part that I don't understand. Previously, it was just stated that KE = 3/2 RT, and since E = KE + PE, how can E = 3/2 RT?

Also, it states that qp = CpΔT (per mole), which can then be written as qp = Cv + RΔT, which is the same as saying qp = ΔE + PΔV. How can this possibly be true? Isn't ΔE = q+w? Even if w = 0, q = ΔE. So how can qp = ΔE + PΔV?

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Re: Is Thermodynamics Contradictory?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2012, 07:15:47 PM »
Furthermore, after considering the two scenarios of heating the gas at a constant volume and a constant pressure, deriving the equations Cv  = 3/2R (per mole, increasing by 1K), and Cp = CV + R = 5/2R (per mole, increasing by 1K), it goes on to state that for an ideal gas, E = 3/2 RT. This is the part that I don't understand. Previously, it was just stated that KE = 3/2 RT, and since E = KE + PE, how can E = 3/2 RT?
An ideal gas has no potential energy. A monotomic ideal gas has only translational energy. The equation E=1.5RT is not exact and only considers translational energy.

Also, it states that qp = CpΔT (per mole), which can then be written as qp = Cv + RΔT, which is the same as saying qp = ΔE + PΔV. How can this possibly be true? Isn't ΔE = q+w? Even if w = 0, q = ΔE. So how can qp = ΔE + PΔV?
qp = ΔE + PΔV
Notice that at constant p PΔV=-w so that is still just the first law.

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