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Offline Yurij

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Preparing a buffer using Na3AsO4 and HCl
« on: August 10, 2012, 11:30:15 AM »
Hello!

I apologise that my first post here is a question and not an answer but I really need help solving this:

Prepare 1L of buffer with a pH value of 6 using 0,5M Na3AsO4 and 0,4M HCl.
pKa1=2,2  pKa2=6,9 and pKa3= 11,4

I know (or think I do) I need to use pKa2 since it is closest to the desired pH. My idea was that volume of HCl is HCl needed to transform A3- to HA2-  plus volume of HCl which transforms some of the latter to HA- The difference beween 1 and what I'd get is volume of Na3AsO4.

Can someone please tell me if I'm thinking right and please please provide a hint or two about what to do next.

responses much appreciated.


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Re: Preparing a buffer using Na3AsO4 and HCl
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2012, 12:58:07 PM »
From pH you can calculate a ratio of [H2ASO4-]/[HAsO42-]. To solve the problem you need also one of these four three: final concentration of buffer, volume of salt, volume of acid used or the information that sum of volumes (salt and acid) is equal 1 L. In every case you should set system of two equation with two variables.
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Re: Preparing a buffer using Na3AsO4 and HCl
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2012, 05:18:17 AM »
Ok so you get

Ka2/[H+] =[HA2-]/[H2A-] = 0,11

but I still do not see what the second system should be. I know V(HCl) + V(A3-) (so: V(A3-) =1L - V(HCl) but I cannot come up with a suitable equation. Please help some more.

Thanks in advance

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Re: Preparing a buffer using Na3AsO4 and HCl
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2012, 07:50:23 AM »
Now you have a first from three equations:
[H2ASO4-]/[HAsO42-]=x/y=0.11
Now express moles of AsO43- through x, y and unknown volume (V1) of this salt (c=0.5) used for buffer preparation.
In the same manner express moles of HCl through x, y and unknown volume (1-V1) of HCl (c=0.4)
You have 3 equation with 3 variables.

Remember about stoichiometry of formation HAsO42-!
Show you calculations on the forum, it is a nice problem.
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Re: Preparing a buffer using Na3AsO4 and HCl
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2012, 04:15:33 AM »
Darn. I'm still so confused. The way I see this is that this is two step system, with the first step being transforming all of initial salt into HAsO42-

AsO43-         +        HCl -->          HAsO42- +       NaCl

and then transforming some of the latter the latter into H2AsO4-.

HAsO42-   +        HCl -->  H2AsO4-

And now I Always think I'm adding two separate volumes of HCl and this is making it impossible to calculate anything since it is giving me another variable.

Number of moles of AsO43- is equal to the number of moles you'd get if you multiplied equilibrium concentrations from Ka2 with 1L and then added them up or am I wrong? Where do I use volume in the equation?

I'm really sorry to be a bother but this problem is making my brains boil


EDIT: Never mind, I think got it. I will write the calculations sometime today



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Re: Preparing a buffer using Na3AsO4 and HCl
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2012, 06:21:34 AM »
I apologise for double post but I couldn't edit in time. I would also like to apologise because I will use trianguar brackets for equilibrium concentration because of convenience on my part (keyboard).

Here's how I did it:

#0.5:  VHCl + VA3-  =  1L

#1: Ka2/<H+> = <HA2->/<H2A-> = 0.11

#2: Same goes for number of moles of each of above components in final solution.

#3: 0.5M x VA3-  =  n(H2A-) + ne(HA2-)

#4  0.4M x VHCl = 2n(H2A-) + ne (HA2-)

Subtracting 3 from 4 gets you:

#5   n(H2A-)  =  0.4M x VHCl - 0.5M x VA3-

Inserting 5 into 3 gets you

#6 ne(HA2-) = 1M x VA3-  -  0.4M x VHCl


Now insert both 5 and 6 into first equation, the ratio of moles is the same as the equilibrium concentration ratio since you divide both of the latter with 1 to get number of moles.

After rearranging you get

#7   1.055M x VA3- = 0,444M x VHCl

From here on I believe it's pretty obvious.

Thanks again to AWK, your help was invaluable. I'm really grateful.







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