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find Vol% of Ch3OH in the exit stream
« on: September 01, 2012, 12:56:36 PM »

I am passing pure Nitrogen gas at 60 cm3/min through 99.9% pure Methanol. I want to calculate how much volume % of methanol is there in the exit stream? The temperature is 27 degC, and at atm pressure.  The total mass loss of Ch3OH is 8.2 gm if I pass the gas, through it, for 8 hrs.

I can calculate that the total volume loss of Ch3OH (due to the gas stream) is 10.39 cm3 using density of methanol.

Your help will be appreciated.

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Re: find Vol% of Ch3OH in the exit stream
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2012, 06:39:06 PM »
If the process is asumed continuum you can calculate the average flow of methanol as (8,2 [g]) / (8*60 [min]*32 [g/mol])=5,338 *10^-4 [mol /min], the flow of nitrogen is (0,060 [l/min]*1 [atm])/(0,0821 [atm l /mol K]*(27+273,15)[K])=2,4348 *10^-3 [mol]

Now you can calculate the molar fraction leaving:

Y (CH3OH)= 5,338*10^-4 / ( 5,338*10^-4+2,4348*10^-3)=0,1798 [-]

Maybe I wrong the numbers, but keep the idea.

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Re: find Vol% of Ch3OH in the exit stream
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2012, 09:26:59 PM »

I am passing pure Nitrogen gas at 60 cm3/min through 99.9% pure Methanol. I want to calculate how much volume % of methanol is there in the exit stream? The temperature is 27 degC, and at atm pressure.  The total mass loss of Ch3OH is 8.2 gm if I pass the gas, through it, for 8 hrs.

I can calculate that the total volume loss of Ch3OH (due to the gas stream) is 10.39 cm3 using density of methanol.

Your help will be appreciated.

Thank you.

Perhaps you can clarify something for me?
You say the total mass loss of methanol is 8.2 g after 8 hours at 60 cm3 N2/minute! That is a tremendous flow of gas with not much methanol loss.
Then in the next sentence you say that the total volume loss of methanol is 10.39 cm3.
This can't be right, 8.2g and 10.39 cm3.
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Re: find Vol% of Ch3OH in the exit stream
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2012, 04:47:36 AM »
Perhaps you can clarify something for me?
You say the total mass loss of methanol is 8.2 g after 8 hours at 60 cm3 N2/minute! That is a tremendous flow of gas with not much methanol loss.

I agree i would expect a much bigger loss from that flow rate for 8hrs.

Then in the next sentence you say that the total volume loss of methanol is 10.39 cm3.
This can't be right, 8.2g and 10.39 cm3.

That looks right to me density of liquid methanol is ~0.79g/ml.

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Re: find Vol% of Ch3OH in the exit stream
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2012, 05:41:48 AM »
Yes he is saying that the volume loss is 10.39 cubic meters.
If he looses only 8,2g after 8 hours then the volume lost is 8.2/0.79 = 10.39mL .
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Re: find Vol% of Ch3OH in the exit stream
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2012, 06:15:11 AM »
You can calculate moles of gas at that conditions and moles of methanol.
Since moles of gas are proportional to volumes at the same conditions  then % volume is the next step.
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Re: find Vol% of Ch3OH in the exit stream
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2012, 09:19:39 AM »
Yes he is saying that the volume loss is 10.39 cubic meters.

No he is not; he stated the volume lost was 10.39 cubic centimetres.

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Re: find Vol% of Ch3OH in the exit stream
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2012, 09:22:03 AM »
I beg your pardon, I mis-read this. Please accept my apologies.
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Re: find Vol% of Ch3OH in the exit stream
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2012, 10:24:15 AM »
I beg your pardon, I mis-read this. Please accept my apologies.

No problem, everyone makes mistakes from time to time.  Honest people own up to them and move on; fools try to hide them and dig themselves a really big hole to fall into in the process.

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Re: find Vol% of Ch3OH in the exit stream
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2012, 10:32:58 AM »
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