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False statement (solids solubility)
« on: October 07, 2012, 11:29:26 AM »
One of the following statements cannot be correct. State which one.
a) A water-soluble solid contains Mg2+, Cr3+, and Br.
b) A solid soluble in a sodium hydroxide solution contains Al3+, K+, and SO42-
c) A solid soluble in aqueous ammonia solution contains Ag+, Cu2+, and Cl.
d) A solid soluble in nitric acid contains Ba2+, Fe2+, and CO32-.
e) A solution neutral to litmus contains Na+, Ca2+, and PO43-.

Don't understand this. If I take for example a), is it said that there is a solid MgxCryBrz that is soluble in water? If yes, how to know if it is?

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Re: False statement (solids solubility)
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2012, 02:07:27 PM »
It can be a solid mixture of MgBr2 and CrBr3.

Read all statements, one of them IS wrong.
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Re: False statement (solids solubility)
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2012, 02:14:39 PM »
Okay, then a) is true, because both of the compounds you wrote are soluble.
b)unsure, Al3+ will be hydrated, now I don't know if it is going to make a precipitate with SO42-;
c)these are soluble in ammonia, so it is true;
d)shouldn't be true, Fe2+ could be oxidized and CO32- protonated;
e)isn't neutral because of PO43- basic behavior.
So I got d), e) and I am unsure about b), but only one of these is false. Help needed  ???.

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Re: False statement (solids solubility)
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2012, 02:19:38 PM »
What is wrong with a solid mixture of FeCO3 and BaCO3? You are not asked about what happens when it dissolves, and whether it is possible that it dissolves this or other way, you are asked if such a solid is possible.
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Re: False statement (solids solubility)
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2012, 02:44:21 PM »
Then b) is true, too.
BaCO3 is insoluble in water, but it is probably soluble in HNO3 because d) has to be right when e) is surely the false one. Thanks for the help.

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Re: False statement (solids solubility)
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2012, 01:19:39 AM »
Think again about d. What happens with carbonates dissolved in acid?

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Re: False statement (solids solubility)
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2012, 03:43:36 AM »
Think again about d. What happens with carbonates dissolved in acid?

Sigh. It doesn't matter. Question asks if the solid can exist.
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Re: False statement (solids solubility)
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2012, 08:04:37 AM »
It asks: False statement (solids solubility)

d) A solid soluble in nitric acid contains Ba2+, Fe2+, and CO32-.

My answer: this is wrong, because Carbonate will decompose to carbon dioxide and water and will not exists. Of course it will be dissolved, but in stead of carbonate nitrate will be found.

All others soluble in the given matrix, partly by complexing.

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Re: False statement (solids solubility)
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2012, 08:12:53 AM »
My answer: this is wrong, because Carbonate will decompose to carbon dioxide and water and will not exists.

So what? It doesn't ask about what will be present in the solution, it asks whether the solid exists.
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Re: False statement (solids solubility)
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2012, 08:38:13 AM »
Well I would understand the question how I explained, but on second view its also possible how you understood it.

But in this case I would write: A solid soluble in nitric acid contains FeCO3 and BaCO3. In solid phase the ions not present.
Probably Iron-II-carbonate is also not existing, because will be oxidized very quick to iron-III compounds.

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Re: False statement (solids solubility)
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2012, 09:17:41 AM »
e) is the only false one.
Most of these old IChO problems are very ambiguous, I admit.

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Re: False statement (solids solubility)
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2012, 09:39:06 AM »
This is also strange, I thing Calcium phosphate has still some solubility. In neutral solution all ions should be present.

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Re: False statement (solids solubility)
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2012, 09:52:36 AM »
The solution can't be neutral to litmus because of the base (PO43-).

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