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CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« on: October 08, 2012, 11:47:20 AM »
The solubility product of calcium oxalate is 2.1*10-9. The pKa values of oxalic acid are 1.23 and 4.28 (at 25°C). Calculate the solubility (in gdm-3) of calcium oxalate monohydrate in a plant cell in which the buffer system regulates the pH to 6.5.

Ksp=[Ca2+][C2O42-]
As [Ca2+]≠[C2O42-] because of the buffer, I can't use the square root of Ksp to calculate the solubility. Therefore:
Ka1Ka2=[C2O42-][H+]2/[H2C2O4]
I don't have [H2C2O4] and [C2O42-]. What to do now?

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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2012, 01:05:29 PM »
But you have the pH

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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2012, 01:31:03 PM »
Yes, [H+] is known but there are 2 unknowns, as I wrote.

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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2012, 01:53:26 PM »
If there are several unknowns, you have to look for several equations.
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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2012, 02:44:50 PM »
Okay, I tried with charges equality:
[H+]+2[Ca2+]=[HC2O4-]+2[C2O42-]
Now there is are 2 new unknowns [HC2O4-] and [Ca2+] .
The starting concentration of H2C2O4 is:
c=[HC2O4-]+[C2O42-]
But it is again a new unknown.
c is related to [H2C2O4]:
[H2C2O4]=c-cα=c-c*sqrt(Ka1/c), but there is still one more unknown than there are equations ([Ca2+])? Again stuck  ::).

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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2012, 04:45:12 PM »
If you will write all existing equilibria, all mass balances and charge balance, you will have enough equations. Just be systematic. Once you have the full system ready, look for ways to simplify it.
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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2012, 07:12:04 AM »
I am not sure what do you mean by mass balance?

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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2012, 08:31:50 AM »
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A mass balance, also called a material balance, is an application of conservation of mass to the analysis of physical systems.

So for example sum of concentrations of all oxalate forms in the solution must be equal to the amount of oxalate dissolved - which in turn means it is also equal to the sum of concentrations of all forms of calcium present in the solution.
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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2012, 08:43:07 AM »
So, I got:
1)Ksp=[Ca2+][C2O42-]
2)Ka1Ka2=[C2O42-][H+]2/[H2C2O4]
3)[H+]+2[Ca2+]=[HC2O4-]+2[C2O42-]
4)[Ca2+]=[C2O42-]+[H2C2O4]+[HC2O4-]
I will try to solve this now.

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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2012, 09:06:21 AM »

3)[H+]+2[Ca2+]=[HC2O4-]+2[C2O42-]

Use expression for Ka2 to eliminate of [HC2O4-]
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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2012, 09:51:30 AM »
I removed it by deducting the 3rd and the 4th equation-I will mark the new equation with 5). Then I expressed [H2C2O4] from 2) and added to 5). Then, I expressed [Ca2+] from 5) and added to 1). I got that [C2O42-]=4.598*10-5mol/dm3 or 4.05*10-3g/dm3. The answer is 6.7*10-3, so I got a mistake of around 40% which is probably not acceptable  :-\.

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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2012, 10:49:05 AM »
At pH 6.5 solubility of calcium oxalate should be very close to that of pure water.
Then your first result 4.6*10-5 is quite reliable.
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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2012, 11:03:25 AM »
Plug your values into equations to check if they are correct or not.
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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2012, 12:02:04 PM »
[H2C2O4] is too small to compare. [Ca2+] that I get from equation 5) is okay with equation 1). Does this mean that the right answer isn't right?

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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2012, 02:26:35 PM »
No idea about what the right answer is.

Have you checked also dissociation constants? If you have a set of equations, you need to check them all. If everything is OK, your solution is OK. If not - it is not.
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