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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2012, 02:39:05 PM »
The equation 5) I was talking about is:
[H+]+[Ca2+]=[C2O42-]+[H2C2O4]
In both cases (mine and the "right answer") [H2C2O4] can be neglected because it is very small. I meant by solubility the concentration of [C2O42-], when I put it in the equation 5) to calculate [Ca2+], and then multiply [Ca2+] and [C2O42-], I get the value of Ksp same as it is given in the problem. When I put their answer, I get that Ksp=5.77*10-9. So, their answer should be wrong then.
Only one issue: Is it more correct to use the concentration of Ca2+ or the one of C2O42- as the solubility?

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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2012, 04:39:31 PM »
Only one issue: Is it more correct to use the concentration of Ca2+ or the one of C2O42- as the solubility?

Easier to use Ca2+, as - technically - you should use sum of concentrations of all three forms of oxalic acid to calculate solubility.
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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2012, 06:21:13 AM »
Okay, then the solubility is 1.83*10-3g/dm3 when using [Ca2+]*40. Thanks for the help.
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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2012, 08:05:25 AM »
Wait, is the mass solubility=concentration of Ca2+ multiplied by molar mass of Ca or molar mass of CaC2O4?

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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2012, 08:26:21 AM »
Mass solubility of what?
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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2012, 08:40:24 AM »
It's the mass solubility of calcium oxalate monohydrate  :-[. When I multiply the concentration of [Ca2+] with the molar mass of calcium oxalate monohydrate I get the answer they gave. So, there I mistaken  ::).

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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2013, 07:40:55 AM »
So, I got:
1)Ksp=[Ca2+][C2O42-]
2)Ka1Ka2=[C2O42-][H+]2/[H2C2O4]
3)[H+]+2[Ca2+]=[HC2O4-]+2[C2O42-]
4)[Ca2+]=[C2O42-]+[H2C2O4]+[HC2O4-]
I will try to solve this now.
Why in the charge equality equation (3) I didn't use the concentration of OH- ions, but still got the right answer? Should it be used?

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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2013, 08:12:07 AM »
It should be there, but as it is orders of magnitude lower than the concentrations of other ions, the error didn't matter much.
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Re: CaC2O4 buffer system solubility
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2013, 10:52:49 AM »
It becomes really hard to solve this when taking into account the concentration of the hydroxy ions, but I think that it should be that way because I can't see at the beginning whether its concentration matters (its not too much lower than the one of hydrogen ions). Probably, at some point, it can be neglected. Thanks.

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