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Offline HusamEddin

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velocity of the gas !
« on: November 04, 2012, 01:20:45 PM »
Hi there,
How can I calculate the velocity of a gas in terms of the unit:
erg/(mol.deg)
??

there was a question in my exam:
The velocity of 28 grams of N2 gas at 27ْC equals:
1- 0.7300 erg/mol.deg
2- 5160 erg/mol.deg
3- 73000 erg/mol.deg
4- 51600 erg/mol.deg

the correct answer was the fourth one
I tried to calculate it by the equation
v = √(3RT/M) ... and the answer was 516 m/s ...
or it is 51600 cm/s
but does cm/s equals erg/mol.deg ??

another need of help
when I used the equation v = √(3KT/m) ... it didn't give me the same answer as v = √(3RT/M) .. but in fact , it must be likely ... so why it came for me like that ???


please help  :o

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Re: velocity of the gas !
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2012, 01:24:40 PM »
when I say "erg/mol.deg"
then I surely mean "erg/mol.K"
where K is Kelvin

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Re: velocity of the gas !
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2012, 03:24:15 PM »
Question doesn't make sense to me - erg/mol*K is not a unit of speed (or velocity). erg is a unit of energy.
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Re: velocity of the gas !
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2012, 04:01:33 PM »
the catastrophe is that the person who made the question is a professor O_o

OK thanks for now ... but may you please answer my last question in the first post:

"when I used the equation v = √(3KT/m) ... it didn't give me the same answer as v = √(3RT/M) .. but in fact , it must be alike ... so why it came for me like that ?"


???
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Re: velocity of the gas !
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2012, 06:50:15 AM »
still waiting

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Re: velocity of the gas !
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2012, 06:55:58 AM »
the catastrophe is that the person who made the question is a professor O_o

OK thanks for now ... but may you please answer my last question in the first post:

"when I used the equation v = √(3KT/m) ... it didn't give me the same answer as v = √(3RT/M) .. but in fact , it must be alike ... so why it came for me like that ?"


???
and thank you very much

Can you show the figures you used?

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Re: velocity of the gas !
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2012, 10:48:39 AM »
the catastrophe is that the person who made the question is a professor O_o

OK thanks for now ... but may you please answer my last question in the first post:

"when I used the equation v = √(3KT/m) ... it didn't give me the same answer as v = √(3RT/M) .. but in fact , it must be alike ... so why it came for me like that ?"


???
and thank you very much

Can you show the figures you used?


sure ... look:
v = √(3KT/m)
√3*300(K)*1.38*10^-23(Joul/K) / (28/1000)(Kg) = 6.66*10^-10 m/s
v = √(3RT/m)
√3*300(K)*8.314(Joul/mol.K) / (28/1000)(Kg/mol) = 516.948 m/s


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Re: velocity of the gas !
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2012, 10:51:23 AM »
m (little m), is not 28g. It is the mass of one molecule of dinitrogen

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Re: velocity of the gas !
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2012, 10:59:27 AM »
28/1000/6.022*10^23 ???

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Re: velocity of the gas !
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2012, 11:02:17 AM »
finally it gave me the same result :)
then molecular mass means the mass of one molecule :) >>> but why do I see some sites write the unit of molecular mass as (g/mol) but not (g) ???

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Re: velocity of the gas !
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2012, 12:02:01 PM »
finally it gave me the same result :)
then molecular mass means the mass of one molecule :) >>> but why do I see some sites write the unit of molecular mass as (g/mol) but not (g) ???

In the same way as eggs can cost 10p each, or £1.20 per dozen. The /mol bit here means the mass per mole, or per 6.02...x1023 particles

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Re: velocity of the gas !
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2012, 01:05:13 PM »
finally it gave me the same result :)
then molecular mass means the mass of one molecule :) >>> but why do I see some sites write the unit of molecular mass as (g/mol) but not (g) ???

In the same way as eggs can cost 10p each, or £1.20 per dozen. The /mol bit here means the mass per mole, or per 6.02...x1023 particles

but if the mass per mole and the mass per 6.02...x1023 particles are the same ...
then the molecular mass equals the molar mass !

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