April 25, 2024, 01:54:32 PM
Forum Rules: Read This Before Posting


Topic: iron ions?  (Read 1901 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline antimatter101

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 163
  • Mole Snacks: +9/-26
iron ions?
« on: November 04, 2012, 02:30:23 AM »
Potassium dichromate is a common ionic molecule used to test many substances. It includes a chromium ion, where chromium loses 7 electrons to have the configuration of argon, a noble gas. Iron is only one after chromium, so why can't it lose 8 electrons instead? It always chooses to lose 2 or 3 valence electrons without getting a stable octet, for some reason.

Can somebody reply?

Offline Schrödinger

  • Chemist
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1162
  • Mole Snacks: +138/-98
  • Gender: Male
Re: iron ions?
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2012, 03:15:58 AM »
Cr loses 6 electrons, not 7. (Cr = 24 and Fe = 26)

And as for its oxidation states, a 'stable octet' is a very crude tool to guess valency and it works for s- and p-block elements more than the transition metals. The transition elements have variable oxidation states.
"Destiny is not a matter of chance; but a matter of choice. It is not a thing to be waited for; it is a thing to be achieved."
- William Jennings Bryan

Offline Sircodekill

  • Regular Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 21
  • Mole Snacks: +6/-3
  • Gender: Male
Re: iron ions?
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2012, 06:15:47 AM »
Potassium dichromate is a common ionic molecule used to test many substances. It includes a chromium ion, where chromium loses 7 electrons to have the configuration of argon, a noble gas. Iron is only one after chromium, so why can't it lose 8 electrons instead? It always chooses to lose 2 or 3 valence electrons without getting a stable octet, for some reason.

Can somebody reply?

Transition metal "obey" 18 electron rule, which iron is one of the best examples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18-Electron_rule

I don't know what are you studying but this could be too advanced for your chemical knowledge. Anyway don't expect a simple answer for transition metals, there are a lot of exceptions.

Offline antimatter101

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 163
  • Mole Snacks: +9/-26
Re: iron ions?
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2012, 12:15:49 AM »
It is potassium manganate (KMnO4) where the transition metal loses 7 electrons. I wrote it wrongly. ANyway thanks for the 18 electron rule thing. I put it in my favourites.

Sponsored Links