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PCl5 react with alcohol... what is the true mechanism ??
« on: January 12, 2006, 04:41:17 AM »
Hi...
        I really confused about the mechanism of the reaction of PCl5 and R-OH . In some books , they said that R-OH react with PCl5 via SNi mechanism but the other said that go through SN2 mechanism...:(...plz tell me something about that . thankz :)

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Re:PCl5 react with alcohol... what is the true mechanism ??
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2006, 09:10:15 AM »
To be frank with you, I wouldn't say that this kind of reaction has an SN2 or SN1 mechanism.

However, final step looks like an SN2 mechanism more than an SN1 one.

This mechanism is the same for primary, secondary and tertiary alcohols and for PCl3, PCl5 and P + I2.

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Re:PCl5 react with alcohol... what is the true mechanism ??
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2006, 12:36:51 PM »
I would think that the first step of the mechanism would have to be SN1 like with attack at phosphorus.  SN2 would require you to get through a lot of steric bulk first.

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Re:PCl5 react with alcohol... what is the true mechanism ??
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2006, 12:55:20 PM »
So, do you think this reaction to be a 'mix' of SN-mechanisms?
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Re:PCl5 react with alcohol... what is the true mechanism ??
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2006, 04:01:15 PM »
I guess you could call it that.  I think that the alcohol attacking the PCl5 probably starts with one of the Cls dissociating from P to make PCl4+, and then the alcohol attacks P (so that part is SN1 like).  The second part, where Cl- attacks C, is almost certainly SN2 style, unless it is at a tertiary carbon or something like that.

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Re:PCl5 react with alcohol... what is the true mechanism ??
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2006, 08:22:47 PM »
According to McMurry's "Organic Chemistry", both steps of the reaction are SN2  :-X

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Re:PCl5 react with alcohol... what is the true mechanism ??
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2006, 03:21:59 AM »
It's neither sn1 or sn2,it's mixed.No extra reaction!

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