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Offline mcrios2

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Simple Lewis Structure question
« on: December 06, 2012, 10:12:48 PM »
I need to draw 2 structures  for cyanogen (C2N2), both of which must satisfy the octet rule.

Then I choose the one that is more stable.

I was able to get this structure that has formal charge 0:
:N:::C:C:::N:

But I cannot get the other one without using more than 18 electrons! Please let me know about the best way to do this problem. thank you.


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Re: Simple Lewis Structure question
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2012, 12:51:28 AM »
Probably this one |N=C=C=N| 20 Electrons.

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Re: Simple Lewis Structure question
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2012, 03:03:32 AM »
Probably this one |N=C=C=N| 20 Electrons.

That has 20 electrons!! (C * 2) + (N * 2) = 18 electrons!!

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Re: Simple Lewis Structure question
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2012, 06:00:29 AM »
|N=C=C=N|

I count in this way | 2, _ 2, = 4, = 4, = 4, _ 2,|2  in sum 20

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Re: Simple Lewis Structure question
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2012, 08:10:01 AM »
|N=C=C=N|

I count in this way | 2, _ 2, = 4, = 4, = 4, _ 2,|2  in sum 20

How could C2N2 have 20 electrons?  ???

Shouldn't have only 18?

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Re: Simple Lewis Structure question
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2012, 08:30:59 AM »
In the form |N=C-C=N| I count | 2, = 6. - 2, = 6,  | 2 = 18

but the other one get 20. Where is the error.

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Re: Simple Lewis Structure question
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2012, 08:41:20 AM »
In the form |N=C-C=N| I count | 2, = 6. - 2, = 6,  | 2 = 18

but the other one get 20. Where is the error.

The structure with 20 electrons seems the error.


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Re: Simple Lewis Structure question
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2012, 09:06:10 AM »
The structure with a CC double bond is in error because of the different oxidation states.  Consider charged cyano resonance forms for this problem.

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Re: Simple Lewis Structure question
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2012, 09:12:27 AM »
Well, right.

I can built an molecule Butatriene H2C=C=C=CH2, if I substitute the outer CH2 to N. Then I get N=C=C=N. Right it has to carry two negative charges. -N=C=C=N-.
In the first drawing there a missing.

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Re: Simple Lewis Structure question
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2012, 09:34:47 AM »
You are still at 20 electrons.  Just do the resonance form of a cyano R-C(+)=N(-)

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Re: Simple Lewis Structure question
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2012, 09:42:18 AM »
R-C(+)=N(-) is the same like the neutral R-C=N|. The question was is there another molecule with same formula with more then 18 electrons and I think there is.

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Re: Simple Lewis Structure question
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2012, 04:43:28 PM »
R-C(+)=N(-) is the same like the neutral R-C=N|. The question was is there another molecule with same formula with more then 18 electrons and I think there is.

I thought the question was a resonance form of cyanogen?  Cyanogen with two more electrons is no longer cyanogen.  All that is being asked for is a resonance form.  And as the question being asked is which is more stable, naturally the non-charged form will be.

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Re: Simple Lewis Structure question
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2012, 06:00:37 PM »
Two nitrogen atoms and two carbon atoms possess 18 valence electrons together and nothing more.
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