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HCl+iron
« on: January 06, 2013, 09:11:42 AM »
Can HCl oxidize iron to Fe3+?
Can it oxidize Fe2+ to Fe3+?
When looking at the red-ox potentials, first is possible, the second isn't. Is this true?

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Re: HCl+iron
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2013, 09:20:47 AM »
 Fe+2 doesn't oxidize to Fe+3 in HCl. I've made a solution of Fe+2 in 2 M HCl before and it did not change color.
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Re: HCl+iron
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2013, 09:39:57 AM »
Okay, the red-ox potentials say the same. Thanks.
Now, is the first reaction possible? By red-ox it should be, but I am not sure (the oxidation potential is only slightly bigger than that of H+).

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Re: HCl+iron
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2013, 06:20:20 AM »
When you put steel wool in HCl, the solution will turn pale green which indicates Fe(II) but if you leave it out (uncovered) for a couple hours, the Fe(II) readily converts to Fe(III) (turns yellow-brown) because of the air.

I don't think you'll get Fe(III) directly from Fe instantly. Interestingly, you can reverse it by adding more steel wool to get back Fe(II).

Also, I believe iron rust in HCl will form Fe3+.
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Re: HCl+iron
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2013, 02:24:07 PM »
I am confused now.
Fe+2 doesn't oxidize to Fe+3 in HCl. I've made a solution of Fe+2 in 2 M HCl before and it did not change color.
When you put steel wool in HCl, the solution will turn pale green which indicates Fe(II) but if you leave it out (uncovered) for a couple hours, the Fe(II) readily converts to Fe(III) (turns yellow-brown) because of the air.

I don't think you'll get Fe(III) directly from Fe instantly. Interestingly, you can reverse it by adding more steel wool to get back Fe(II).

Also, I believe iron rust in HCl will form Fe3+.
For Fe2+ to Fe3+ you said no, but then yes.
According to red-ox potentials, it is easier to oxidize iron to +3, than from +2 to +3 which is not very logical. Why is this so?

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Re: HCl+iron
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2013, 02:54:27 PM »
For Fe2+ to Fe3+ you said no, but then yes.

Leaving uncovered means something else than just preparing a solution.
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Re: HCl+iron
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2013, 03:28:26 PM »
I think I understood. It is because these reactions are reversible and have equilibrium constant, so after some time equilibrium is established and there will be some amount of Fe3+ although Fe2+ if favored. Sophia no offense, I just misunderstood this. Thanks Borek for the correction. But I am still curios about this:
According to red-ox potentials, it is easier to oxidize iron to +3, than from +2 to +3 which is not very logical. Why is this so?

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Re: HCl+iron
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2013, 04:46:37 PM »
I am not convinced you understand the situation. When the solution is left UNCOVERED another reaction takes place.
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Re: HCl+iron
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2013, 01:48:24 AM »
Iron get oxidized from Fe2+ to Fe3+ by oxygen. The air has access to the solution, that is meant by " uncovered".

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Re: HCl+iron
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2013, 06:07:40 AM »
Oh, okay.

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