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Pseudo First Order
« on: March 13, 2013, 02:20:44 PM »
In the reaction 2C :rarrow:D, the following mechanism is suggested:

2C ::equil:: C + C*  (forward rate constant k1 and backward rate constant k2) C* is a reactive intermediate

C*  :rarrow: D  (rate constant k3)

two questions are asked

1. What is the condition for the reaction to be pseudo-first order
2. What is the condition for the reaction to be 2nd order

I found d[D]/dt=k1k3[C]/k2 using the steady state approximation for [C*]
But got stuck at those two questions.

My argument is for the reaction to be pseudo first order, [C*] formed must disappear much faster than it is formed, thus k2>>k1

am I right? and can someone help me with the 2nd part

thanks in advance  :)
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Re: Pseudo First Order
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2013, 02:46:17 PM »
I found d[D]/dt=k1k3[C]/k2 using the steady state approximation for [C*]
Granted, it's been quite a while since I solved rate law problems, but I believe your difficulty may be related to this.
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Re: Pseudo First Order
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2013, 03:29:02 PM »
in the question, in an earlier part, it is asked to derive the rate of formation of [D] in terms of [C]

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Re: Pseudo First Order
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2013, 03:32:32 PM »
And I'm saying I didn't get the same answer you did. ;)
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Re: Pseudo First Order
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2013, 03:51:42 PM »
mmm I got :

d[D]/dt = k3[C*]
d[C*]/dt=k1[C]2-k2[C][C*]=0 in steady state
therefore [C*]=k1[C]/k2

substituting d[D]/dt=k1k3[C]/k2

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Re: Pseudo First Order
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2013, 04:07:00 PM »
d[C*]/dt=k1[C]2-k2[C][C*]=0 in steady state
You are forgetting to include the loss of the intermediate C* to form your final product via rate k3.
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Re: Pseudo First Order
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2013, 04:09:43 PM »
oh silly me  :) thanks a lot. I'll try again

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Re: Pseudo First Order
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2013, 04:15:53 PM »
figured it out. Thank you very much  :)

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Re: Pseudo First Order
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2013, 04:22:48 PM »
No problem.  Should be easy to find the conditions of your limits now.
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