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Offline Rutherford

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Proper distillation figure
« on: April 10, 2013, 03:41:27 PM »
Which of the apparatuses shown in the figures is the best one for the synthesis of bromethane from potassium bromide, concentrated sulphuric acid and ethanol?


The product is separated by distillation, so B and D are incorrect (unknown processes). In A, the thermometer is too high positioned. Why is E correct and C isn't?

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Re: Proper distillation figure
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2013, 04:04:29 PM »
coolant direction?

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Re: Proper distillation figure
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2013, 08:16:00 AM »
How so?

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Re: Proper distillation figure
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2013, 08:26:10 AM »
In C your cooling water won't be filling up the condenser coils unless the flow rate is really high. There will be lots of air in there

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Re: Proper distillation figure
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2013, 08:58:47 AM »
Okay. Thanks for the explanation.

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Re: Proper distillation figure
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2013, 11:25:29 AM »
I think A is a better set up than E for a distillation.  In A the thermometer bulb is about inline with the vapour entering the condensor while in E it is too low.

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Re: Proper distillation figure
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2013, 12:10:19 PM »
Why can't it be so low?

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Re: Proper distillation figure
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2013, 01:32:07 PM »
How so?

Countercurrent cooling is more efficient than co-current cooling. Larger ΔT across tube walls.

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Re: Proper distillation figure
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2013, 01:33:09 PM »
Why can't it be so low?

I think too low a thermometer may give a bad reading because of entrainment / splashing / foaming etc.

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Re: Proper distillation figure
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2013, 01:36:28 PM »
Thanks for the reply. This would be solved now.

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Re: Proper distillation figure
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2013, 02:16:52 PM »
@Raderford
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Why is E correct and C isn't?
Why did you state this if A is correct?

@DrCMS
I do not doubt you
but in A the bulb seems above condenser inlet
 >:D advocate

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Re: Proper distillation figure
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2013, 02:23:40 PM »

@DrCMS
I do not doubt you
but in A the bulb seems above condenser inlet


Very slightly. Between having it too low and too high I'd rather it be too high.

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Re: Proper distillation figure
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2013, 02:52:26 PM »
@Raderford
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Why is E correct and C isn't?
Why did you state this if A is correct?

@DrCMS
I do not doubt you
but in A the bulb seems above condenser inlet
 >:D advocate
Sorry, I thought it was E  ::).

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Re: Proper distillation figure
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2013, 03:17:22 PM »
I really thought it was A too, at the start, but everyone else was so sure it wasn't I just second guessed myself.  Actually, I thought, since this was a reaction, and not a simple distillation, that the water bath was necessary.  But DrCMS: is straight on -- the bulb of the thermometer must be in the vapor at the point it escapes the flask, in order to measure the real temperature.
Hey, I'm not judging.  I just like to shoot straight.  I'm a man of science.

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Re: Proper distillation figure
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2013, 03:21:46 PM »
Since the main question has been answered I thought I'd ask one of my own: why do we need the thermometer to measure temperature here? Aren't we just performing a synthesis?

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