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Unit cell figure
« on: April 30, 2013, 06:02:52 AM »
Which of the parallelograms in the figure below are unit cells?

I thought A and E, because the points that represent atoms are regularly connected with lines that represent bonds. To my surprise, D is also a unit cell. I don't understand how. What type of unit cell is it?

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Re: Unit cell figure
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2013, 06:27:54 AM »
What is unit cell?
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Re: Unit cell figure
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2013, 06:31:21 AM »
The smallest part of a crystal that has the properties of the crystal.

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Re: Unit cell figure
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2013, 06:37:15 AM »
In D, there is only 1 atom and the lines that represent the box (cube) aren't passing through it, so how can it be regarded as a unit cell?

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Re: Unit cell figure
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2013, 07:20:57 AM »
The smallest part of a crystal that has the properties of the crystal.

Not exactly. It is the smallest part that will give you a crystal when repeated.
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Re: Unit cell figure
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2013, 07:31:20 AM »
In that sense, a single atom when repeated in all 3 directions can produce a crystal.
In that sense, why C can't be regarded as a unit cell?

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Re: Unit cell figure
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2013, 07:50:46 AM »
In that sense, a single atom when repeated in all 3 directions can produce a crystal.
In that sense, why C can't be regarded as a unit cell?

The lines in C go outside the middles of the points, |o  o|, repeated will give |o  o|o  o|o  o| (moving horizontally), rather than e.g. Θ--Θ which repeated will give

Θ--Θ--Θ
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Θ--Θ--Θ


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Re: Unit cell figure
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2013, 07:51:48 AM »
In that sense, a single atom when repeated in all 3 directions can produce a crystal.
In that sense, why C can't be regarded as a unit cell?

If you repeat just an atom you get this:

oooooooooooo
oooooooooooo
oooooooooooo
oooooooooooo

What you want is this:
o    o    o    o    o

o    o    o    o    o

o    o    o    o    o

o    o    o    o    o

A crystal structure is not just its constituent atoms but also the empty space between the atoms because the empty space is what keeps the atoms in unique locations characteristic of that particular crystal structure.

Ergo an atom is not a unit cell (unless what you are trying to represent is a close contact heap).

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Re: Unit cell figure
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2013, 08:00:17 AM »
The smallest part of a crystal that has the properties of the crystal.

Not exactly. It is the smallest part that will give you a crystal when repeated.

Isn't that a primitive unit cell?

Can't a unit cell be any part that will give you a crystal when repeated?

Not sure. But am curious to know the difference.
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Re: Unit cell figure
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2013, 08:14:48 AM »
Then I assume that D is an atom with empty space around it (as it is represented). In C there won't be any space between atoms, in B there are no atoms, so A, D and E are correct. Thanks to everyone for helping me here.

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Re: Unit cell figure
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2013, 08:21:34 AM »
Not exactly. It is the smallest part that will give you a crystal when repeated.

Isn't that a primitive unit cell?

Can a unit cell be any part that will give you a crystal when repeated?

Good questions.
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