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Hello, I am new here, and I have a question
« on: February 10, 2006, 08:28:40 PM »
I am an undergraduate student majoring in Chemistry, 2nd year, and I am frankly ready to tear my hair out as to what I am going to do with chemistry.  I hope some of you can relieve my frustration and inform me as to what could suit my likes in industry or otherwise.


I am currently in 2nd semester Organic Chemistry, and I find actually learning the material to be a joy.  I find synthesis to be enjoyable when I know what I'm doing.

Unfortunately, I can't really stand the lab.  I'm quite clumsy, don't know what's going on, spill things, cause eruptions when distilling, etc.  I frankly do not enjoy it

Also, I am doing research in Cytochrome P450 using Modeling software under my professor in collaboration with a larger university in collaboration with an enormous project.  I really like figuring out chemical problems (though not system administration...yuck!) using the software...analyzing data, designing protocols, etc.  It's something I could see myself doing; unfortunately, I don't particularly care for Calculus and Physics enough to want to spend my life doing such things, and I imagine that actually pursuing a doctorate in computational chemistry would basically entail physical chemistry, which would include a more than desirable amount of physics and calculus.

I also adore spectroscopy, at least the analysis part of it...



After a long-winded and undoubtedly confusing preface there, I suppose I could summarize it all by saying I'm an analyzer.  I don't like to do the labs, but I like realizing what happens and asking questions and pursuing answers.  Is there a field specifically where I could combine my love for organic and modeling without subjecting myself to too much wet-lab work?

Thank you for your consideration.  I want to get a lot of opinions on this matter, since it is obviously very important to me.  I'm sorry if I put this in the wrong place, and I can't wait to become active in this community!  It should be a blast!

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Re:Hello, I am new here, and I have a question
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2006, 03:14:18 PM »
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Unfortunately, I can't really stand the lab.  I'm quite clumsy, don't know what's going on, spill things, cause eruptions when distilling, etc.  I frankly do not enjoy it

Just one thing I have to add here, only being in 3rd year Chemistry myself.  One of the reasons you may not enjoy it is that you HAVE to do it as part of your course requirement, and as you say, usually we don't know entirely what's going on.

When you design your own synthesis experiment in an organic research lab to prepare say, an inhibitor for a certain enzyme, then you have to know EXACTLY whats going on, because you're the only one doing it.  Plus, in many cases, you'll find RELATED work in a journal, but they won't be doing quite the same thing.  You'll be the first (possibly ever?) to synthesize that particular molecule.  That in itself can make a lab more interesting.
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Re:Hello, I am new here, and I have a question
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2006, 07:18:38 AM »
That is the truth, isn't it?

I imagine labs really are like that out of school

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Re:Hello, I am new here, and I have a question
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2006, 04:35:16 PM »
group leaders (ie profs, supervisors, etc...) will typically handle the analysis of data without doing any lab work.  you cant be a group leader however, without first being a lab rat, sorry. the lab experience is absolutely essential when dealing with research data.

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Re:Hello, I am new here, and I have a question
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2006, 12:13:38 PM »
I'm not sure how the educational system works in USA (or wherever you are), but maybe you should continue to pharmacology? Many branches of pharmacology/pharmaceutics do not involve labwork every day, and will allow you to work with analysis of different kinds.

I don't know the english word, but working as one who designs studies (both pre-clinical and clinical) on new drugs and analyze the data is something that springs to mind.

Perhaps pharmacodynamics and kinetics could be something you would enjoy?

Good luck!

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Re:Hello, I am new here, and I have a question
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2006, 12:50:40 PM »
computational chemistry?
"Say you're in a [chemical] plant and there's a snake on the floor. What are you going to do? Call a consultant? Get a meeting together to talk about which color is the snake? Employees should do one thing: walk over there and you step on the friggin� snake." - Jean-Pierre Garnier, CEO of Glaxosmithkline, June 2006

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Re:Hello, I am new here, and I have a question
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2006, 11:23:31 PM »
I'd have to see how I like physical chemistry...

I don't much care for the physics and calculus, so I dunno how much I'll like it

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Re:Hello, I am new here, and I have a question
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2006, 06:34:57 AM »
I'm still in my 2nd semester ( 1st year undergraduate ) and I must say that Organic Chemistry is by far the lowest form of scientific level out there. This field should be added to the biological "Sciences".

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Re:Hello, I am new here, and I have a question
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2006, 01:10:53 PM »
Then you will not do well in that class, because you have completely missed the point.
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Re:Hello, I am new here, and I have a question
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2006, 02:19:34 PM »
I'm still in my 2nd semester ( 1st year undergraduate ) and I must say that Organic Chemistry is by far the lowest form of scientific level out there. This field should be added to the biological "Sciences".

Well there's plently of "lowest form of scientific level" questions in the organic forum, and I havn't seen you answer many of them. ;D

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Re:Hello, I am new here, and I have a question
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2006, 02:47:02 PM »
I'm still in my 2nd semester ( 1st year undergraduate ) and I must say that Organic Chemistry is by far the lowest form of scientific level out there. This field should be added to the biological "Sciences".

What do you mean by that?

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Re:Hello, I am new here, and I have a question
« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2006, 05:56:22 PM »
green-goblin, how do you expect me to answer any question in O.Chem when it's all about memorizing, not to mention that it lacks proof?

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Re:Hello, I am new here, and I have a question
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2006, 08:49:00 PM »
Of course there is "proof". If someone asked you how does electrophilicity change down a main group, how would you answer? We tell students that the correct answer is that it increases down a group(memorizing). The real answer is that electrophilicity it directly proportional to the orbital quantum number for an element down the main group, along with other factors. This is all basic physical organic chemistry. If you have the time, movies or myself can forward you to some very interesting texts on physical organic chemistry.

A chemist who does not have the knowledge to be able to create and/or study interesting new molecules are typically uninteresting chemists, usually confused with physicist.
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Re:Hello, I am new here, and I have a question
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2006, 12:59:53 AM »
A chemist who does not have the knowledge to be able to create and/or study interesting new molecules are typically uninteresting chemists, usually confused with physicist.

Hey!  I got my degree in physics.   :D

Maybe most of the students in organic chem are just trying to memorize everything.  That doesn't mean that's what it is really about.

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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2006, 01:06:19 AM »
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