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Oxidation - Reduction Nernst Equation - QUESTION!
« on: June 03, 2013, 04:56:23 PM »
Question: The reduction of hydrogen peroxide to water happens in an acidic solution. Which concentration of H2O2 must have been in the solution if the pH = 4.3, and the potential difference against the hydrogen half cell was measured at +1.50 V. Use E0 = +1.78V.


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Re: Oxidation - Reduction Nernst Equation - QUESTION!
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2013, 06:16:06 PM »
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Re: Oxidation - Reduction Nernst Equation - QUESTION!
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2013, 01:16:56 AM »
Thanks for the quick reply!

[H3O+] = 10^-4.3
 
E = E0 + 0.059/2 log (red/oxd)

-0.28/0.0295 = log [H2O2] + log [H3O+]

[H202] = 0.128 mol/L


Sorry I'm writing this from my phone, therefore I wrote it skipping a few steps.

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Re: Oxidation - Reduction Nernst Equation - QUESTION!
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2013, 01:24:19 AM »
The equation I should have mentioned:

H202 + 2e + 2 H3O+ --> 4H2O

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Re: Oxidation - Reduction Nernst Equation - QUESTION!
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2013, 03:08:37 AM »
E = E0 + 0.059/2 log (red/oxd)

And not

[tex]E = E_0 + \frac {0.059} 2 \log \frac {ox}{red}[/tex]

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Re: Oxidation - Reduction Nernst Equation - QUESTION!
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2013, 04:42:32 AM »
I don't know, red/oxd or oxd/red?

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Re: Oxidation - Reduction Nernst Equation - QUESTION!
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2013, 04:49:28 AM »
Then check. It is a matter of a correct combination of sign and red/ox or ox/red ratio. For obvious reasons not every combination is a correct one.
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Re: Oxidation - Reduction Nernst Equation - QUESTION!
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2013, 05:27:35 AM »
Ahh so it's
1) + with log ox/red
Or
2) - with log red/ox

Coming to a concentration os H2O2 1.23 x 10 ^ 18 mol/L

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Re: Oxidation - Reduction Nernst Equation - QUESTION!
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2013, 05:48:36 AM »
Ahh so it's
1) + with log ox/red
Or
2) - with log red/ox

Yes.

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Coming to a concentration os H2O2 1.23 x 10 ^ 18 mol/L

Not what I got.

Not that I like the result I got.
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Re: Oxidation - Reduction Nernst Equation - QUESTION!
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2013, 06:01:04 AM »
What did you get?

1.5 = 1.78 - ((0.059/2) log (red/oxd))

-0.28 = -  0.0295 log([H3O+]^2 [H2O2])

9.4915254 = log [H3O+]^2 + log [H2O2]

So concentration of H3O+ 10^4.3 = 5.011 x 10^-5

Squaring this gives you 2.51x10^-9.

Log of this is - 8.6

So 9.49 + 8.6 = log [H2O2]

10^18.09 = [H2O2]

= 1.23 x 10^18

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Re: Oxidation - Reduction Nernst Equation - QUESTION!
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2013, 06:35:57 AM »
I got the same result you got using wrong Nernst equation. I didn't like it, as the initial equation was wrong. Surprisingly, on the further analysis, it seems to be a correct result, as you initially made two mistakes, canceling each other. (Unless I am completely wrong, I just did here locally things that make me doubt my sanity :( ).

What is the oxidized and what is the reduced form?
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Re: Oxidation - Reduction Nernst Equation - QUESTION!
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2013, 06:52:46 AM »
I'm not really following you, mu first nernst equation waas wrong.

The second one is correct.

H3O+ & H202 were reduced.

Oxd was H20 but its a constant so it can be 'left out'.

So which of my answers is correct, the second or the first. You seem to be talking in riddles lol.

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Re: Oxidation - Reduction Nernst Equation - QUESTION!
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2013, 07:03:24 AM »
Could be we are talking apples and oranges.

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H3O+ & H202 were reduced.

Do you mean they are the reduced form of the hydrogen peroxide, or do you mean they are reduced in the reaction?

I will repeat the same question I asked in my previous form: what is the oxidized and what is the reduced form here?
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Re: Oxidation - Reduction Nernst Equation - QUESTION!
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2013, 07:10:16 AM »
H2O is the reduced form of H2O2.

H2O2 is the oxidized form of H2O.


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Re: Oxidation - Reduction Nernst Equation - QUESTION!
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2013, 07:28:07 AM »
H2O2 is the oxidized form of H2O.

OK. So in the equation of the form you used in your calculations

[tex]E = E_0 - \frac {0.059} 2 \log \frac {red}{ox}[/tex]

should it be in the nominator, or denominator?
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