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question about E2 and Addition Rxns
« on: October 14, 2013, 12:45:40 PM »
“Compound A has molecular formula C7H15Br. Treatment of compound A with sodium ethoxide yields only one elimination product (compound B) and no substitution products. When compound B is treated with dilute sulfuric acid, compound C is obtained, which has molecular formula C7H16O. Draw the structures of compounds A, B, and C.”

From this description I can gather than there’s an E2 elimination and then a hydration. The problem is when I can’t seem to figure out the initial structure (compound A) and thusly the rest of the compounds are marked wrong. I tried a heptane with the Br on the number 1 carbon and a heptane with a Br on the number 2 carbon but both are incorrect. I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction on the structure of compound A. Thank you.

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Re: question about E2 and Addition Rxns
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2013, 12:49:12 PM »
Try examining the other possible bromoheptane isomers and see what you come up with.
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Re: question about E2 and Addition Rxns
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2013, 12:55:33 PM »
The thing is I have a minimal number of submissions. I don't think other bromoheptane isomers would make a difference because the first structure I tried was a primary alkyl halide and the second one was secondary. If I put the bromo group anywhere else on the chain it will be secondary or primary also. I was thinking of trying bromocycloheptane but that isn't doesn't give me the correct chemical formula of C7H15Br

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Re: question about E2 and Addition Rxns
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2013, 01:00:56 PM »
This is not the case, what about this compound?

CC(C)(Br)C(C)CC

it has C7H15Br, and the bromide is certainly not primary or secondary!

also CC(C)(C)C(C)(Br)C
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Re: question about E2 and Addition Rxns
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2013, 01:02:31 PM »
Thank you so much!

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Re: question about E2 and Addition Rxns
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2013, 01:07:27 PM »
So what is the structure of compound B?
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Re: question about E2 and Addition Rxns
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2013, 01:32:51 PM »
Disco is only hinting without hinting at the actual A, B, or C. My hint would be the clues indicate A must have symmetry. I'd try to find a more symmetrical structure.
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Re: question about E2 and Addition Rxns
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2013, 01:42:13 PM »
So what is the structure of compound B?



This right? The Br and H leave creating an Alkene

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Re: question about E2 and Addition Rxns
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2013, 01:44:55 PM »
Sure Br and H must leave to give an alkene, but take into account what Orgopete said.

The two isomers I drew are not the only ones there is another.

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Re: question about E2 and Addition Rxns
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2013, 01:53:12 PM »
This is the only other structure I can think of for Compound A:


So for compound B, how do I know which Hydrogen is lost?

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Re: question about E2 and Addition Rxns
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2013, 01:56:17 PM »
This one?

BrC(C(C)C)C(C)C
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Re: question about E2 and Addition Rxns
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2013, 02:04:16 PM »

So this is structure B?

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Re: question about E2 and Addition Rxns
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2013, 02:08:35 PM »
More than likely, what about C?
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Re: question about E2 and Addition Rxns
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2013, 02:13:14 PM »
Compound C:

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Re: question about E2 and Addition Rxns
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2013, 02:16:00 PM »
Nope.
Check electrophilic addition to alkenes mechanisms.

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