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How many number of electrons present in one NO2 ion.
« on: October 15, 2013, 11:01:09 PM »
I know this is an extremely easy question, but I'm stumped :(. Nitrogen has an atomic number of 7 and oxygen has an atomic number of 8. So I would assume that it is 7 + 8 + 8 which is 23 electrons. However someone told me it is 24 electrons because NO2 has a charge of -1 which means it has an excess electron. However doesn't that break the law of conservation of mass? Where does the extra electron come from? Thank You =)

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Re: How many number of electrons present in one NO2 ion.
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2013, 12:09:15 AM »
there is the nitrogen dioxide molecule NO2 , with 23 electrons total ( i.e. a free radical, and violating the octet rule at that)
it's an uncharged particle

also, there is the nitrite ion NO2- , with 24 electrons total
it obeys the octet rule and bears a single negative charge

i.e.: two different species, and both exist in their own right

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However doesn't that break the law of conservation of mass?
I'm not sure that I understand the what you're asking, i.e. how the conservation of mass possibly could be violated here. Could you pls. expand on this?

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Where does the extra electron come from?
like always in chemistry: from someone else, who in return became a positively charged cation

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Re: How many number of electrons present in one NO2 ion.
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2013, 12:12:23 AM »
what I am saying is that the NO2 ion is made up of 1 nitrogen and 2 oxygens. The nitrogen has 7 electrons in total and the oxygens have 16 electrons in total. when you add 7 and 16 you get 23... so where did that extra electron come from to make 24 electrons if there are only 23 electrons between the N and two Oxygens.

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Re: How many number of electrons present in one NO2 ion.
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2013, 01:13:17 AM »
the moment you "add" a further electron to nitrogen dioxide, it will have one more electron ( i.e. 24 instead of previously 23 ) and will have become a different species, the nitrate anion.

the very electron has to come from elsewhere, i.e. from some electron donating process (oxidation)

(not sure if this reaction exists , but as a hypothetical example, by reaction with potassium:
K + NO2  :rarrow: K+ + NO2- = KNO2 )


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