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vapor pressure
« on: October 17, 2013, 05:32:27 PM »
The vapor pressure, P, of nitric acid varies with temperature as follows:
T/Celsius: 0, 20, 40, 50, 70, 80, 90, 100
P/kPa: 1.92, 6.38, 17.7, 27.7, 62.3, 89.3, 124.9, 170.9

What is the normal boiling point? What is the enthalpy of vaporization of nitric acid?

I'm guessing this has to do with the clausius-clapeyron equation: dlnP/dT = delta H/RT^2. Integrated, it's lnP = Constant - delta H/RT
I'm confused how to get that expression though. I'm pretty bad at excel. I'm not even sure if my method is correct. I just know if I get an expression from excel I can solve for the delta H vap and that I can find the normal boiling point too.

Thanks for any insight.

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Re: vapor pressure
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2013, 09:48:02 PM »
You've got the right equation, and you can see a linear relationship between what operations of P and T?
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Re: vapor pressure
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2013, 01:58:19 AM »
Unsure of what U mean. I expect them to be directly proportional

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Re: vapor pressure
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2013, 08:46:56 AM »
Clausius-Clapeyron would be the right attempt, but you have to observe the equation better to see the right proportionality. Excel is nothing mandatory here (...Kelvin are, just in case).

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What I wonder, but is probably not meant in the question: pure nitric acid doesn't exist. If it doesn't contain water, it contains varied nitrogen oxides which are more volatile than HNO3. So I wonder what kind of pressure can be measured, and if said measure makes any sense to the evaporation of nitric acid.

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Re: vapor pressure
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2013, 10:46:20 AM »
Unsure of what U mean. I expect them to be directly proportional
Look at your equation. P is not directly proportional to T.
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Re: vapor pressure
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2013, 11:23:09 AM »
the greater T increases, the less P increases i'm guessing is the pattern you're trying to get me to see. how would i apply that to the clausius-clapeyron equation though to get the delta H vap and temperature?

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Re: vapor pressure
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2013, 11:27:10 AM »
just a side note
terminology
http://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/directly-inversely-proportional.html
Directly Proportional and Inversely Proportional

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Re: vapor pressure
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2013, 11:46:31 AM »
the greater T increases, the less P increases i'm guessing is the pattern you're trying to get me to see.
Yes, but if T increases, P doesn't decrease linearly. However, to do a linear fit, you need to plot one variable against another such that the dependence is linear.  In your (integrated) equation, can you see a way to plot T and P, such that the dependence is linear?  That is, can you turn the T and P terms into modified variables, such that the integrated equation takes on a familiar linear equation, y = mx + b?
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Re: vapor pressure
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2013, 02:03:25 PM »
Would I plot natural log of P versus T then get linear best fit (y= mx + b). Would b be my delta H/R?

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Re: vapor pressure
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2013, 02:04:05 PM »
Or natural log verses 1/T?

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Re: vapor pressure
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2013, 02:15:22 PM »
I think you might be on to something now. :) Sounds like it's time to do a linear regression.
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