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Calculating Ka, frustrating! Help please
« on: October 23, 2013, 01:24:53 PM »
This problem has been haunting me for 2 days, and I have no clue why I can not solve it:

A monoprotic weak acid when dissolved in water is 0.36% dissociated and produces a solution with a pH of 3.10. Calculate the Ka of the acid.

I have tried a few methods. I know that, Percent Dissociation = (Amount Dissociated / Initial Concentration) x 100%

I am stuck on two ideas here, and both are wrong, but I hope I am headed in the sort of right direction.

1st attempt was; [H3O+] = 10-3.10
[H3O+] = 7.9x10-4.
I assumed the 7.9x10-4 would be the same for the A-;

(7.9x10-4)(.36) = 2.84x10-4
(7.9x10-4)(.36) = 2.84x10-4
(7.94x10-4(.64) = 5.1x10-4

Then, I set it up in Ka = Products/Reactants. The final answer was wrong.

The second method I used was the I C E chart method, but I couldn't set it up properly to fit the equation format for the life of me.

Please, can someone lead me towards the light! I would appreciate it VERY much.

EDIT: Nevermind! I literally was one step out of bounds with this problem. When setting up the ICE chart, the -x confused me on the E line for [HA]. I substituted Initial of [HA] for [HAo] and set the Equilibrium of [HA] to [HAo]-x. I used some of the methods above to convert the pH to Molarity and used the Percent Dissociation equation to find the initial [HA], it was all cake from there. Thanks for the considerations, though!

EDIT: For those who are curious to see the exact step I took to solve this, I will write the process.

I know I need to set up an I C E chart, because I need to find the equilibrium concentrations for each chemical.

HA ::equil::H+A-
IHAo  0  0
C-x +x +x
E(HAo-x)  x  x

[H+] = 10-3.10 = 7.9x10-4

x = 7.9x10-4

0.36% = (7.9x10-4/[HAo])x100 = 2.19 0.219

[HAo]=2.19 0.219

Looking back at the ICE chart, I can now plug in the numbers I have found.

[HAo]-x = 2.19 - 7.9x10-4 = 2.18

[HA] = 2.18
[H+] = 7.9x10-4
[A-] = 7.9x10-4


Ka = ([H+][A-])/[HA]

Ka = (7.9x10-4)2/2.18

Ka = 2.9x10-6
« Last Edit: October 26, 2013, 12:07:40 PM by Borek »

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Re: Calculating Ka, frustrating! Help please
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2013, 02:03:16 PM »
Percent Dissociation = [H+]/[H3O] x 100%.

Huh? The safest definition is:

[tex]\alpha = \frac{[A^-]}{C_a} = \frac{[A^-]}{[HA]+[A^-]}[/tex]
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Re: Calculating Ka, frustrating! Help please
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2013, 02:10:41 PM »
That was part of my confusion, I took to the web to help me solve this problem and that is basically what I found, so I tried to apply it. My initial view to solve this problem was that of which you wrote. That is what I ended up using to solve it. I am no expert at chemistry or explaining it for that matter, sorry if I confused some people. But, it is solved! alas! Thank you for the reply, Borek. I am sure I will be asking questions again very soon.

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Re: Calculating Ka, frustrating! Help please
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2013, 02:23:59 PM »
Please remember such a thread can be read in the future by someone, so if there is something blatantly wrong it is better to correct it/mention it in the rest of the thread.
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Re: Calculating Ka, frustrating! Help please
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2013, 03:03:59 PM »
Thank you, I have went back and edited the end of my question to include my exact steps to solving this problem.

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Re: Calculating Ka, frustrating! Help please
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2013, 03:16:21 AM »
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(7.9x10-4)(.36) = 2.84x10-4
(7.9x10-4)(.36) = 2.84x10-4
(7.94x10-4(.64) = 5.1x10-4
This is 0.36 % but not 36 %
Why did you use different values 7.9 or 7.94
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Re: Calculating Ka, frustrating! Help please
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2013, 08:39:18 PM »
That was one of the methods I tried in the very beginning when I initially asked for help. the .36 was substituted for 36% at the time due to the equivalence. The 7.94 was an extra digit that was added by accident, although it was the next digit in the number. I posted the whole, correct, solution at the bottom so others can have a look at the right way to do it step by step. I left my mistakes up there to show what I was dealing with initially.

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Re: Calculating Ka, frustrating! Help please
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2013, 09:47:03 PM »
0.36% of the initial conc = 10^-pH
If we take initial as x
0.36% of x = 10^-3.10
(0.36 *x )/100 = 7.9*10^-4
so x should be 0.221
how are you getting initial concentration of the acid as 2.19 M
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Re: Calculating Ka, frustrating! Help please
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2013, 11:41:30 AM »
My mistake, I can't seem to find the edit button anymore. But it was supposed to be .219 NOT 2.18. I will try to fix it ASAP

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