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Offline Aakash

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functional group
« on: December 06, 2013, 07:24:47 AM »
I wanted definition of functional group and I got that functional group is a group of atoms that decides the properties of a compound. But don't other groups of atoms like CH3 in an organic compound also affect the property of the compound?

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Re: functional group
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2013, 09:40:16 AM »
Well, I think it's probably because every single organic molecule out there has carbon and hydrogen atoms, it wouldn't make sense to call groups such as -CH3 a functional group.

Besides, molecules with just carbons and hydrogens with sigma bonding between them aren't reactive in light of the common organic reactions. They mostly react through radical reactions.
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Re: functional group
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2013, 10:03:30 AM »
Of course CH3 is a functional group. Think about toluene!
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Re: functional group
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2013, 10:11:35 AM »
Oops. I stand corrected then, sorry.

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Re: functional group
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2013, 10:12:11 AM »
You should also think about pericyclic reactions, Diels-Alder reactions for example are not radical reactions, but they have reactants containing only C-H and C-C bonds.
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Re: functional group
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2013, 10:20:01 AM »
You should also think about pericyclic reactions, Diels-Alder reactions for example are not radical reactions, but they have reactants containing only C-H and C-C bonds.

We don't study pericyclic reactions in the 2 organic chem's my chemistry degree offers. :-\

And I edited my other post to include sigma bonding only.

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Re: functional group
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2013, 10:21:39 AM »
That's not good, read up about the Diels-Alder reaction, one of the most important for forming rings that is known.
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Re: functional group
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2013, 10:56:07 AM »
Yes, I know it isn't good.  :-\

Anyway, I just looked up the Diels-Alder reaction and it occurs between a conjugated diene in a s-cis conformation and a dienophile, with the formation of 2 sigma bonds that close the ring and cleavage of 1 pi bond in the diene and 1 in the dienophile.

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Re: functional group
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2013, 01:54:02 PM »
so..

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Re: functional group
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2013, 01:59:29 PM »
So,
A functional group lets a chemist know what is likely to happen based on reactivities of reactants being mixed together.  For instance, carbonyl creates an electropositive carbon center that is amenable to attack by a suitable Nucleophile.  Wikipedia "functional groups".  There ya go!
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Re: functional group
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2013, 02:02:22 PM »
thanks.

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