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Titration Curve at Low pH
« on: December 19, 2013, 04:05:11 PM »
Hi there,
I was to draw titration curve of Ca2+ with EDTA in excel, everything was ok until I wanted to do the same with pH=6
Here is what I've got as inputs:


I've ignored Ct and some others in higher pH but here, in pH=6 it ruins the curve and I don't know how to calculate and draw curve based on Vol. EDTA and pCa. As we now equivalent point is at Vol. EDTA=25
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Re: Titration Curve at Low pH
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2013, 04:33:48 PM »
Not enough information.

In general all you need is to find the correct stability constant (taking into account side reactions).
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Re: Titration Curve at Low pH
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2013, 05:02:59 PM »
well that's all I've got beside what I forgot! α4 for EDTA at pH6 = 2.25×10-5

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Re: Titration Curve at Low pH
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2013, 05:16:24 PM »
I don't see where the problem is. Especially as you have still failed to explain what you are doing and where and how it is failing.
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Re: Titration Curve at Low pH
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2013, 05:23:21 PM »
This is what I've done in excel, you can see what formulas I've used to calculate [Ca2+] But you see in second sheet, for pH 6, near equivalent point, pCa goes wrong and curve is like zigzag! (sorry for my bad English)
Link of my excel: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/88704510/1.xlsx

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Re: Titration Curve at Low pH
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2013, 05:56:39 PM »
I don't use Excell, sorry.
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Re: Titration Curve at Low pH
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2013, 06:36:02 PM »
I wrote down what I did to calculate [Ca2+] with input that I wrote before in my first post. But as I said before, this doesn't work for pH=6 and only works for higher pH. Thanks a lot my friend  :-*
http://img.ir/ZGwc.jpg

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Re: Titration Curve at Low pH
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2013, 07:06:48 AM »
Before equivalence it is OK. At equivalence and after - I am not so sure, I have problem following what you are doing. IMHO at equivalence point concentration of Ca2+ should be

[tex][Ca^{2+}] = \sqrt{\frac{[CaY]}{K'}}[/tex]

but perhaps you did some assumptions that get you to a different formula.

Can you elaborate a little bit? And finally explain what CT is?

Also a screenshot of the wrong titration curve won't hurt.
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Re: Titration Curve at Low pH
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2013, 07:43:13 AM »
CT is Molar of all EDTA that is not complexed! (If I wrote in proper English!)
I mean CT=[Y4-]+[HY3-]+[H2Y2-]+[H3Y-]+[H4Y]
Using formulas I wrote before, my pCa has an unexpected decrease in equivalent point:

And titration curve is like:


Using the same formula in other pH doesn't make the same problem. One of my friends said that you should calculate dissociations too but I have no idea how!
THanks again :X

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