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Retro-synthesis Problem!!! Cannot Figure Out!
« on: February 01, 2014, 06:38:35 PM »
I was given a problem in class and I cannot figure it out. Neither can my study group. Spend nearly 2 hours today in circles of retro-synthesis. Please *delete me*!!! I typed up the question parameters and drew the compound

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Re: Retro-synthesis Problem!!! Cannot Figure Out!
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2014, 12:11:03 AM »
OK, the Grignard is the final reaction or the first disconnection.
There are two choices here.
What disconnection(s) of the target leads to the Grignard reaction?
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Re: Retro-synthesis Problem!!! Cannot Figure Out!
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2014, 02:14:45 AM »
Hello, I am no synthesis expert but could something like this work?

I did not detail reagents, I'm too lazy for that  ;)

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Re: Retro-synthesis Problem!!! Cannot Figure Out!
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2014, 02:37:06 AM »
Not really, you are adding triple bonds yet your products have double bonds.
Also a Grignard reagent from a tosylate and Mg is not likely to happen.
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Re: Retro-synthesis Problem!!! Cannot Figure Out!
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2014, 03:03:27 AM »
I am sorry about that, I guess it's pretty late for me!

I hope this is better

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Re: Retro-synthesis Problem!!! Cannot Figure Out!
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2014, 03:07:57 AM »
OK, your product is not the same as the one shown in the original question.
Grignards will not give ketones when treated with carboxylic acids. You need something else to do that reaction.
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Re: Retro-synthesis Problem!!! Cannot Figure Out!
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2014, 03:24:51 AM »
Here are two disconnection possibilities to get you started:
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Re: Retro-synthesis Problem!!! Cannot Figure Out!
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2014, 03:51:10 AM »
third attempt!

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Re: Retro-synthesis Problem!!! Cannot Figure Out!
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2014, 04:01:37 AM »
What reagent are you going to use to get halogen derivate from carboxilic acid?

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Re: Retro-synthesis Problem!!! Cannot Figure Out!
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2014, 04:16:24 AM »
I'd guess the Hunsdiecker reaction:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunsdiecker_reaction

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Re: Retro-synthesis Problem!!! Cannot Figure Out!
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2014, 05:25:56 AM »
What's wrong with thionyl chloride?
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Re: Retro-synthesis Problem!!! Cannot Figure Out!
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2014, 05:50:50 AM »
EtOH  :rarrow: EtOTs

HC≡CH --LiNH2(1 eq.), NH3(l)-->HC≡C:-

HC≡C:- + EtOTs ----> Et-C≡CH ---Lindlar cat., H2---> Et-C=CH2

Et-C=CH2 ----1.BH3, THF;--2.H2O2, NaOH, H2O---> BuOH

BuOH ----> BuMgCl

BuMgCl + MeCHO -1. THF--2.H+/H2O> Bu-CH(OH)-Me, reduce this to: Bu-CO-Me

React Bu-CO-Me with (1) from attached image to get product.


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Re: Retro-synthesis Problem!!! Cannot Figure Out!
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2014, 05:54:52 AM »
I was reffering to the reaction pathway starting with benzyl alcohol

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Re: Retro-synthesis Problem!!! Cannot Figure Out!
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2014, 06:04:11 AM »
I was reffering to the reaction pathway starting with benzyl alcohol


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Re: Retro-synthesis Problem!!! Cannot Figure Out!
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2014, 09:09:03 AM »
I was reffering to the reaction pathway starting with benzyl alcohol


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Not needed but thanks  ;)

One more question: Dont you need to protect the other carbon in acetylene when doing the coupling reaction? So you dont get acetylene substitued on both carbons.

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