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Making an ester
« on: March 25, 2014, 03:48:05 AM »
Is it possible to join the two molecules  shown below & make an ester out of it? What'd be the best strategy?

Also, which of the four -OH positions are most likely to esterify? Would making an acyl chloride help? Or transesterification?





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Re: Making an ester
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2014, 08:59:18 AM »
Certainly the carboxylic acid will make the ester, probably better via the acid chloride. But which phenolic OH will react I can't say as there is not much between them. You will very likely get a mixture:(
The OH groups on the starting material may well be more reactive than the phenols:(
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Re: Making an ester
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2014, 09:13:41 AM »
Certainly the carboxylic acid will make the ester, probably better via the acid chloride. But which phenolic OH will react I can't say as there is not much between them. You will very likely get a mixture:(

Thanks @disco! Even a mixture is OK for now.

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The OH groups on the starting material may well be more reactive than the phenols:(

Unfortunately that's what seems to happen. Is there any way to avoid this? By reagent choice? By protection?

Alternatively, any way to activate any one of the four -OH groups (from the other molecule) that I would rather have react?

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Re: Making an ester
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2014, 09:15:36 AM »
Any comments if I used these two molecules as the acid moeity instead? Still the same risk of internal esterification?






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Re: Making an ester
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2014, 09:28:49 AM »
Yes, and perhaps anhydride formation as well.
Try it and see what happens.
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Re: Making an ester
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2014, 09:19:38 AM »
Yes, and perhaps anhydride formation as well.
Try it and see what happens.

Ok, tried. With  the esterification works.

With it does not work but internal coupling seems to happen.

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Re: Making an ester
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2014, 09:37:12 AM »
You using chiral shikimic acid?
Which phenol group, was esterified?
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Re: Making an ester
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2014, 02:22:22 AM »
You using chiral shikimic acid?
Which phenol group, was esterified?

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Re: Making an ester
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2014, 06:53:36 AM »
What if you dilute the first reactant and concentrate the second? I imagine this would favour their common ester and reduce the reaction of the first reactant with itself.

Please forgive if I put nonsense, and sorry for interrupting.

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Re: Making an ester
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2014, 08:15:56 AM »
That is valid idea!
I read some literature about high dilution, they used it for favor the cyclization instead of polymerization it might work here.

Im getting a bit lost here. You are using the shikimic acid to make an ester with the those compounds?
 








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