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Offline lgn98868

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Considering Free Energy and Temp Changes, calculate Kp
« on: May 08, 2014, 04:27:15 PM »
Struggling with this question asking to calculate Kp at 1000 degrees celsium for the reaction:

                              Cgraphite                  +                CO2 (g)                   ::equil:: 2COg

Standard entropy°               0                          0.2137 (kj)                          0.1975 (kj)          ΔS= 0.1813 kj
Enthalphy of Form.°             0                          -393.5 (kj)                          -110.5 (kj)          ΔH= 172.5 kj

We could calculate free energy= ΔH° - T ΔS°
                                               172.5 - (1273 K) (0.1813) = so at 1273 K  ΔG= -58.2949

Use this free energy in the equation ΔG= -(RT)lnKp                        -58.2949= -(0.008314 x 1273 K) lnK
                                                                                           Solving this gives Kp= 246.65



The book says the answer is 120.  Where am I going wrong?



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Re: Considering Free Energy and Temp Changes, calculate Kp
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2014, 04:32:30 PM »
After thinking on it, is the Kp that I calculated per mole? Dividing that by two would give roughly 120 without worrying about sig figs.

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Re: Considering Free Energy and Temp Changes, calculate Kp
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2014, 07:30:03 AM »
Your calculations look correct to me. If you halve the quantities, K is not halved but squarerooted, so that doesn't solve the discrepancy. Maybe the book is just wrong. It happens.

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Re: Considering Free Energy and Temp Changes, calculate Kp
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2014, 09:48:52 AM »
It doesn't help that you appear to have given entropy units of kJ. And is the standard molar entropy of carbon as graphite really 0 Jmol-1K-1?

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Re: Considering Free Energy and Temp Changes, calculate Kp
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2014, 09:59:48 AM »
And is the standard molar entropy of carbon as graphite really 0 Jmol-1K-1?
No, it's about 5.7 J K-1 mol-1. The problem assumes these values are the same at 1273 K as they are are at 273 K, which is probably a poor assumption.
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Re: Considering Free Energy and Temp Changes, calculate Kp
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2014, 11:01:48 AM »
And is the standard molar entropy of carbon as graphite really 0 Jmol-1K-1?
No, it's about 5.7 J K-1 mol-1. The problem assumes these values are the same at 1273 K as they are are at 273 K, which is probably a poor assumption.

Ok, but even at 273 K (or 298.15 K which is standard) I wouldn't expect anything except H+ (aq) to be given Sm°=0. The data seems faulty...?

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Re: Considering Free Energy and Temp Changes, calculate Kp
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2014, 12:03:51 PM »
Right, it's not 0, it's ~5.7. Compared to the other values, though, that's pretty negligible.
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