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Gallium with acids producing [Ga[H2O]6]3+ ion
« on: May 31, 2014, 03:13:36 PM »
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I was a little confused to find in my chemistry exercise book a task, where they say Gallium produces [Ga(H2O)6]3+ ion in reaction with strong acids. From the videos on Youtube I can see people simply get Ga2(SO4)3 and hydrogen in gallium + sulfuric acid reaction, which is a strong acid after all. Well then, could anyone give me an example with full notation of a reaction where the ion is actually produced? How come the water molecules are build into it? Btw, you can look into the aforementioned exercise here http://pl.tinypic.com/r/2nurgqa/8 but that won't be a big help, because the description is in Polish. But you can at least get familiar with the diagram. There's also a part about reactions with bases.

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Re: Gallium with acids producing [Ga[H2O]6]3+ ion
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2014, 03:15:29 PM »
And what does Ga2(SO4)3 dissociate to when dissolved?
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Re: Gallium with acids producing [Ga[H2O]6]3+ ion
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2014, 03:41:55 PM »
I'm not sure, because I'm not very knowledgeable.. but I would say 2 Ga3+ and 3 SO42-

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So, you suggest that the ions H3O+ and Ga3+ together make the gigantic [Ga(H2O)6]3+ ?
« Last Edit: May 31, 2014, 04:44:04 PM by sufler »

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Re: Gallium with acids producing [Ga[H2O]6]3+ ion
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2014, 04:51:31 PM »
I would say 2 Ga3+

OK.

Have you heard about solvation? Hydration? Do you know that no cation stays alone in water solution?

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So, you suggest that the ions H3O+ and Ga3+ together make the gigantic [Ga(H2O)6]3+ ?

Why H3O+? Ga3+ has already required charge.
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Re: Gallium with acids producing [Ga[H2O]6]3+ ion
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2014, 05:01:40 PM »
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So, you suggest that the ions H3O+ and Ga3+ together make the gigantic [Ga(H2O)6]3+ ?

Why H3O+? Ga3+ has already required charge.

But there was H3O+ written over the line in the exercise, so I assumed I have to do something with it.

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So, the ion with 6 molecules of water is the same kind of a compound as for example the hydrate Na2CO3•10H2O ?

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Re: Gallium with acids producing [Ga[H2O]6]3+ ion
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2014, 05:18:22 PM »
Quote from Bielański means just that the reaction is

Ga + H+ + H2O :rarrow: Ga(H2O)63+ + H2

(unbalanced, but that's just a trivial exercise).

It is not exactly the same as in sodium carbonate decahydrate, as the decahydrate is a solid, while we are talking about Ga3+(aq). But to some extent these are related things.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2014, 05:45:31 PM by Borek »
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Re: Gallium with acids producing [Ga[H2O]6]3+ ion
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2014, 05:24:49 PM »
So, there is just no way to depict this reaction with a full equation, I mean with particular reagents? It must remain in the ionic form? An example with for example sulfuric acid can't be done?

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Re: Gallium with acids producing [Ga[H2O]6]3+ ion
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2014, 05:47:20 PM »
depict this reaction

Be careful here - which reaction?
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Re: Gallium with acids producing [Ga[H2O]6]3+ ion
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2014, 05:52:47 PM »
Gallium with a strong acid, so that the product was [Ga(H2O)6]3+. I believe this is what the task is about.

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Re: Gallium with acids producing [Ga[H2O]6]3+ ion
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2014, 03:16:04 AM »
If you want ionic product, for consistency you should write the net ionic reaction. If so, you should not list H2SO4 as a reactant, but H+.
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