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Offline quantumnumber

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Which route is better?
« on: August 21, 2014, 07:49:13 AM »
Hi everyone,

I was thinking of a possible synthesis route for a compound, and in comparison with the one my teacher suggested me, I noticed some unclear points (see the attachment).

His route is shorter, but I think when he uses the base (NaH) in step 2, he could deprotonate also the Hα in relation to ketone group (actually, i think this proton is more acidic). For this reason, I thought of protecting the ketone group with an acetal in order to decrease the acidity of Hα, then going on with the synthesis, and finally deprotect the ketone.

Am I right? Or my teacher's one can work?

Thanks a lot.

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Re: Which route is better?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2014, 08:18:40 AM »
If you wanted to know which acid is a stronger acid, you could look them up. Compare the acidity of cyclohexanone and ethanol in a pKa table. Which is more acidic? However, this is a rather challenging problem and I doubt the relative acidity is the major problem.
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Re: Which route is better?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2014, 09:04:27 AM »
As my mentor told me 10,000,000,000,000 times, Organic Chem is an EXPERIMENTAL science.  Try them, although both should work.  I would go with the one with less overall steps, as yields tend to suffer unless your getting quantitative intermediates (not likely).
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Re: Which route is better?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2014, 09:15:56 AM »
You could alkylate the enolate with ethylene oxide and work up with allyl bromide, which may just provide the product.
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Re: Which route is better?
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2014, 01:11:31 PM »
Thanks for all your suggestions. Actually I'm about to take a retrosynthetic anylisis exam and so I guess I just have to indicate a "chemically possible" route, at least theoretically, because I can not check it in the lab ;)


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Re: Which route is better?
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2014, 03:08:27 PM »
I thought an aldol condensation reaction would compete with alkylation. I also thought hemiacetal formation would compete, so I didn't like either route. So "chemically possible" would be the operative word here.
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