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I have a problem in understanding the equivalent concept used in stochiometry.This is what i know about it....

Equivalent concept is similar to mole concept that means in any chemical reaction the reactants react in same equivalents to give same equivalents of products.

BaCl2+AL2[SO4]3--->BaSo4 + AlCl3
a b 0 0 [Before reaction]
0 b-a a a [after rection]

Where a and b are the equivalents.Now if we take the balance reaction:

3BaCl2+Al2[So4]3--->3BaSo4 + 2AlCl3
p q 0 0 [Before reaction]
p-3q 0 3q 2q [After reaction]

Where p and q are moles.

Now if we solve the problem with any of the above two methods the RESULT IS THE SAME.CAN YOU EXPLAIN ME WHY?

WHY EQUIVALENT CONCEPT AND MOLE CONCEPT GIVE SAME RESULTS?

movies:
I'll try to help, but the way you have posed the question is a little confusing to me, but here goes:

First, I think you've made an error in your "after reaction" part of the second formula.  I think it should read like this:

0 q-3p 3q 2q

Anyway, I'm not sure how you are getting the same result for the two.  It's not obvious to me how that could happen.  Furthermore you can't really solve using the first formula because it isn't balanced.*

I would say that the main point of this problem is that you get 2 equivalents of Al(3+) and 3 equivalents of SO4(2-) for each mole of Al2[SO4]3.

* If you were to balance the equation from the first formula and just plug in the numbers, then you would arrive at the corrected formula I put above.  If that is what you did it shouldn't surprise you that the two give the same answer since all you have really done is change the order of your operations.

Mitch:
ssssss: Don't post the same question all over the internet. ::)

The chemical education community is a small community.  8)

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--- Quote from: movies on July 23, 2004, 01:36:09 PM ---I'll try to help, but the way you have posed the question is a little confusing to me, but here goes:

First, I think you've made an error in your "after reaction" part of the second formula.  I think it should read like this:

0 q-3p 3q 2q

Anyway, I'm not sure how you are getting the same result for the two.  It's not obvious to me how that could happen.  Furthermore you can't really solve using the first formula because it isn't balanced.*

I would say that the main point of this problem is that you get 2 equivalents of Al(3+) and 3 equivalents of SO4(2-) for each mole of Al2[SO4]3.

* If you were to balance the equation from the first formula and just plug in the numbers, then you would arrive at the corrected formula I put above.  If that is what you did it shouldn't surprise you that the two give the same answer since all you have really done is change the order of your operations.

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You should know that when we are dealing with equivalent we do not need to balance an equation.We usually solve equations with equivalents when the equations are too weird to balance.

And i want to put the respective moles,equivalents under the reactants and products respectively but made a little mistake.I apologize if it was confusing.

Secondly,can you tell me how to find Equivalent weights for a big compound.E.g  Zn2Cr3[Fe{CN}4]2.

movies:
I guess I am not familiar with the "equivalent" method.  I'm not sure how it could work and still give you the right answers.  Any chemical equation can be balanced, it just might take some time.  That's the way that I have always done it.

It's not obvious to me how you could solve a question like that _without_ balancing the equation.