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Entering orgo I without uni gen chem or HS chem.
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:04:26 PM »
Long story short I have ORGO I next semester with 0 chemistry knowledge to back me up. Anything I should try to learn before starting the course?

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Re: Entering orgo I without uni gen chem or HS chem.
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2014, 10:42:28 PM »
By orgo do you mean organic chemistry?

If so, I've heard from people who've taken the coarse that you hardly see any chem 1&2 in organic chemistry.

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Re: Entering orgo I without uni gen chem or HS chem.
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2014, 03:06:58 AM »
If so, I've heard from people who've taken the coarse that you hardly see any chem 1&2 in organic chemistry.

Which either means they are blind and they don't see connections, or they know their chem101 so well they don't even understand they are using it. Organic chemistry quite often uses kinetics and equilibrium to explain what is happening, if you don't understand these concepts you won't be able to understand why reactions behave the way they do. You may not use skills like equilibrium calculations, but you will still need to understand how the equilibrium shifts and why.
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Re: Entering orgo I without uni gen chem or HS chem.
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2014, 08:32:21 AM »
I suggest that you look at Khan Academy if you have time over winter break. There's an organic chemistry section, which has a sub section called "General chemistry review." It's certainly not comprehensive, but at least you can get a feel for some of the basic skills you will need.
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Re: Entering orgo I without uni gen chem or HS chem.
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2014, 09:43:49 AM »
If so, I've heard from people who've taken the coarse that you hardly see any chem 1&2 in organic chemistry.
To add to Borek's comments, how about Lewis dot structures and valence bond theory?  I cannot understand how one can take organic without having had general chemistry.

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Re: Entering orgo I without uni gen chem or HS chem.
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2014, 12:53:35 PM »
So review gen chem through books and khan academy over winter break. thanks!

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Re: Entering orgo I without uni gen chem or HS chem.
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2014, 01:00:22 PM »
That is if you have no other option but to take it this semester.
Just to be completely honest, most people in my current class are struggling with the material. That includes other chem majors, so it will definitely be difficult even if you do study hard for the next month. 
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Re: Entering orgo I without uni gen chem or HS chem.
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2014, 01:46:45 PM »
I definitely have the option to take it next winter (after having done gen chem in the fall) but I figure should try it anyways - can always drop it if I don't think it's worth taking without gen chem knowledge.

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Re: Entering orgo I without uni gen chem or HS chem.
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2014, 02:16:43 PM »
This sounds like a mistake. Whoever approved this is doing you a disservice.
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Re: Entering orgo I without uni gen chem or HS chem.
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2014, 07:54:45 PM »
I am scratching my head at how you were allowed into organic without ANY chemistry knowledge. This isn't a CHEM 101 class... it's a class which will ASSUME you have the skills you would have developed in earlier chemistry courses. I suggest you complete organic in a year after meeting the prerequisites.

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Re: Entering orgo I without uni gen chem or HS chem.
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2014, 03:39:05 AM »
I definitely have the option to take it next winter (after having done gen chem in the fall) but I figure should try it anyways - can always drop it if I don't think it's worth taking without gen chem knowledge.

I think your time would be much better spent on something else. You will struggle with it and that will impact your other studies negatively
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