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H-NMR help
« on: January 23, 2015, 12:06:20 PM »
Hey guys

I'm having major problems with this H NMR which u am supposed to analyze.

First thing I don't understand is that as far as I am concerned the numbers circled in green are supposed to tell me the total number of hydrogens. So the molecule should have according the spectrum 11 hydrogens but the molecular formular sais H8?? I am so confused can anybody please help ?

( easy language please I am not so good in NMR )

Thank u so much
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Re: H-NMR help
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2015, 12:19:18 PM »
Well the signal at 7.24 would seem to be chloroform.
Note that the molecule is symmetrical, which simplifies the spectrum. So you do actually have 8 protons here.
See if you can work it out from there.
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Re: H-NMR help
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2015, 12:38:22 PM »
Thanks for your answer:)

How do you known that the signal in 7.24 in chloroform? And it would be CDCl3 right ?
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Re: H-NMR help
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2015, 12:44:39 PM »
It is a small amount of CHCl3 in CDCl3.  The isotopic substitution is never perfect, and this is a peak that is well known to users of NMR.  One of my students found a nice reference to the chemical shifts of various common solvents in common NMR solvents.  I can look it up if anyone is interested.

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Re: H-NMR help
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2015, 12:46:55 PM »
I'm am interested :) thank you
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Re: H-NMR help
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2015, 12:56:23 PM »
NMR Chemical Shifts of Common Laboratory Solvents as Trace Impurities, J. Org. Chem. 1997, 62, 7512-7515
Hugo E. Gottlieb, Vadim Kotlyar, and Abraham Nudelman

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Re: H-NMR help
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2015, 01:24:44 PM »
I have a last question concerning signal number four. What does it mean for my interpretation when I have a doublet if a doublet? I know what that is but I really don't know how to analyze it, like how do I find out the number if hydrogens now under these circumstances :s??

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Re: H-NMR help
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2015, 06:38:01 AM »
Anybody ? I would be able to do the rest
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Re: H-NMR help
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2015, 06:56:24 AM »
Higher order splitting like that which we see with a doublet of doublets represent the further splitting of a proton's signal by a (weaker than the first) coupling with another proton or other multiple protons.

So .. stronger couplings have larger coupling constants, which gives larger splittings, whereas weaker couplings have smaller coupling constants, which give the smaller splittings.

I hope that makes some sense and gives you some clues as to how to discern the 3 downfield signals :)

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Re: H-NMR help
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2015, 08:03:47 AM »
Okay but hat dies that mean for my interpretation ? How many neighbors do I have according the doublet of the doublet ?
Not quite sure yet
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Re: H-NMR help
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2015, 12:04:52 PM »
Help?
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Re: H-NMR help
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2015, 12:27:38 PM »
If you just had a doublet, how many neighbors would you have?

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