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Solubility of copper sulfate complex with ethanoic acid
« on: March 18, 2015, 01:01:07 PM »
When approx. 4 ml of 4 M CH3COOH is added to Cu(NH3)4SO4.2H2O a precipitate initially forms. Upon further addition the precipitate dissolves.

What is the precipitate? Why does it form, and why does it dissolve upon further addition of the acetic acid?
I'm really not too sure what is causing this, ordinarily I would presume something along the lines of Copper acetate or Copper hydroxide is formed which is insoluble and falls out of solution. The fact that further addition of acid redissolves the compound would make me think this is wrong then. Have we maybe affected solubility by changing hydration of the complex by abstracting water molecules? Oh, and if memory serves me correctly when we did the experiment the precipitate was darkly colored (dark blue/purple).

All help would be much appreciated.

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Re: Solubility of copper sulfate complex with ethanoic acid
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2015, 03:51:20 PM »
When approx. 4 ml of 4 M CH3COOH is added to Cu(NH3)4SO4.2H2O

Please clarify. You add acetic acid to the solid and you observe solid forming?
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Re: Solubility of copper sulfate complex with ethanoic acid
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2015, 04:03:46 PM »
No, sorry for lack of clarity. The copper complex is in a 25 ml solution (water is the solvent). Upon addition of the acid a precipitate is formed. By the stage all 4 ml of acid have been added the precipitate has dissolved again.

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Re: Solubility of copper sulfate complex with ethanoic acid
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2015, 04:32:45 PM »
Interesting question.
We asked for clarification because you wrote the formula of the solid hydrated salt. If it is dissolved in water, you can't write the water of crystallization in the formula.

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Re: Solubility of copper sulfate complex with ethanoic acid
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2015, 04:36:23 PM »
Oh, sorry for the confusion.

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Re: Solubility of copper sulfate complex with ethanoic acid
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2015, 04:37:01 PM »
Are you sure you added the acetic acid to [Cu(NH3)4]SO4 and not to [Cu(NH3)4](OH)2?

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Re: Solubility of copper sulfate complex with ethanoic acid
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2015, 04:44:05 PM »
Well the complex, Cu(NH3)4SO4.2H2O, is dissolved in water. This solution has ethanoic acid added to it. So maybe [Cu(NH3)4](OH)2 has already been formed?

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Re: Solubility of copper sulfate complex with ethanoic acid
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2015, 04:52:51 PM »
The first thing came to my mind is the reaction between the acetic acid and the ammonia. The copper complex can dissociate giving some NH3. Addition of acetic acid would shift the equilibrium:
4CH3COOH + [Cu(NH3)4]2+ ::equil:: 4CH3COONH4 + Cu2+(aq)

The presence of the ammonia acetate could change the pH. But I checked pKb of the acetate is 9.24 and pKa of NH4+ is 9.25. So... the expected pH would be somewhere about neutral.

So, maybe somebody else would share their ideas..

And yes.. if the initial copper solution was concentrated, it is possible that it could precipitate and then dissolves, because it is going to be a different salt

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Re: Solubility of copper sulfate complex with ethanoic acid
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2015, 04:57:29 PM »
Well, cheers for trying anyway bud.

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