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Plate with parallel faces - Optics
« on: April 17, 2006, 08:09:57 PM »
Solve this problem ... if you can!

A plate with parallel faces is an optical medium limited by 2 parallel plane surfaces. It is characterized by its index of refraction n > 1, and thickness e.

If a ray of light strikes one of the surfaces , the 1st incident ray will emerge parallel to the 2nd refracted ray, and the distance ( d ) between the two is called the displacement.

Prove that :

|d| = e Sin (i1 - r1) / Cos (r1)


Hint : i1 ( 1st angle of incidence ) = r2 ( 2nd angle of refraction ).?

? ? ? ?? ?i2 ( 2nd angle of incidence ) = r1 ( 1st angle of refraction ).

? ? ? ? ? ( These relations can be proven using trigonometry or geometry )




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Re: Plate with parallel faces - Optics
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2006, 07:56:16 AM »
since the optical medium has an index of refraction n>1, and air has an index of refraction n˜1, the optical medium is denser than air.

by snell's law, sin i1 / sin r1 = sin r2 / sin i2

hence, i1 = r2

and r1 = i2

based on the diagram as shown,

x = r2 - i2

  = i1 - r1

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cos i2 = e / y

                      y = e / cos i2

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sin x = d/y

    d = y sin x

      = e sin ( x) / cos i1

      = e sin (i1 - r1) / cos r1  (proven)
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Re: Plate with parallel faces - Optics
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2006, 06:52:48 PM »
Very good xiankai , very good indeed.

But let's see how far you can go. Consider this ... a bonus question :

So let's supoose now that there's a real point object A at a certain distance from the plate. The final image of A given by the slab is A''. Prove that AA'' = e ( 1 - 1/n ).

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Re: Plate with parallel faces - Optics
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2006, 07:04:40 PM »
When dealing with light or compound microscopes, one would find this formula interesting after placing a glass slab on a certain specimen, the obj lens would have to be displaced by a distance = AA'' inorder to re-focus the image.

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Re: Plate with parallel faces - Optics
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2006, 03:04:24 AM »
AA''=d / sen i1

d=e * [sen i1 - cos i1 * sen r1/cos r1]


Applying Snell Law,

1*sen i1 = n*sen r1


AA''=e * [ 1 - cos i1/ cos r1 * 1/n ]

For mediums likewise  i1~=r1  , nair~=nplate

Then AA'' is aproximate by AA''=e * (1 - 1/n)

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Re: Plate with parallel faces - Optics
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2006, 06:18:18 AM »
since someone posted before me, i thought i'll put in a picture of what i was thinking about :D

the strange thing is, i also got the same solution as teteamigo, but from my diagram its impossible to see that i1 = r1 at all  ???

otherwise the image would be found at where the object is... in otherwords no magnification  :-\
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Re: Plate with parallel faces - Optics
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2006, 04:04:15 PM »
Oh mine.. I haven't seen Snell's Law for so long..

I have been indulging myself into chemical science, not optical physics..
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Re: Plate with parallel faces - Optics
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2006, 08:21:35 PM »
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For mediums likewise  i1~=r1  , nair~=nplate

These approximations are invalid here. Try another method.

i1 is by no means equals r1 , makes no sense at all. there would be no refraction then anyway ...

xiankai, you seem to like Geometrical Optics mate.? ;) Bravo!

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I have been indulging myself into chemical science, not optical physics..

Well optics is imp for chemistry ,you know. Ofcourse this is very basic but intersting. I think I'll post more difficult problems when I have time.

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Re: Plate with parallel faces - Optics
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2006, 06:27:12 AM »
thanks, i owe it to you and richard feynman's book on QED :P

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Well optics is imp for chemistry ,you know.

do u mean the stuff involving photons and atoms? how they react and all..
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Re: Plate with parallel faces - Optics
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2006, 06:09:32 PM »
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do u mean the stuff involving photons and atoms? how they react and all..

I'm not sure how much atomic properties of light are used in Chemistry , but it's a sure thing? physical optics is important in analytical chemistry. You may actually know about the application of optics in chemistry a lot more than I do.




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