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Re: redox equations having trouble figuring this out
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2006, 03:11:23 PM »
its a solid so the ON would be zero

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Re: redox equations having trouble figuring this out
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2006, 03:18:31 PM »
2 H3AsO4 + 4 e- + 4 H+ -> As2O3 + 5 H2O

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Re: redox equations having trouble figuring this out
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2006, 03:22:22 PM »
its a solid so the ON would be zero

State of aggregation doesn't matter. Do what I asked you to do.
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Re: redox equations having trouble figuring this out
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2006, 03:29:51 PM »
albert whe i worked out H3AsO4 i get 5 electrons because O is -2 times 4 which is 8 and H is -1 times 3 which is -3 so i get 5 e-

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Re: redox equations having trouble figuring this out
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2006, 03:31:44 PM »
for the reduction par is this correct 2NO3- + 2H + 2 e- -->N2O3 + 2H2O

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Re: redox equations having trouble figuring this out
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2006, 03:32:57 PM »
Hydrogen is +1!

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Re: redox equations having trouble figuring this out
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2006, 03:36:55 PM »
8-3 = 5 just wondering because if it is 4 e it would make the simplification much easier

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Re: redox equations having trouble figuring this out
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2006, 03:41:05 PM »
for the reduction par is this correct 2NO3- + 2H + 2 e- -->N2O3 + 2H2O

Why only 2 electrons? How many NO3-s can you see?

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Re: redox equations having trouble figuring this out
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2006, 03:45:53 PM »
I mean for H3AsO4=5 electrons

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Re: redox equations having trouble figuring this out
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2006, 03:48:27 PM »
NO3- i see +5 O=-6  central atom is 5

wonder what i'm doing wrong???

the final answer i has was As2O3 + 5H2O+4NOH3-  + 2 H  + 4e-  --> 2 H3AsO4 +4 H +4e- +2N2O3+4H20
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Re: redox equations having trouble figuring this out
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2006, 03:51:57 PM »
NO3- i see +5 O=-6-1=7

 ???

NO3-  oxygen = (-2)*3 = -6
         nitrogen = (-6) - (-1) = +5

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Re: redox equations having trouble figuring this out
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2006, 03:55:58 PM »
but to balance out the reduction part i need +2 electrons

wow i am confused

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Re: redox equations having trouble figuring this out
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2006, 03:59:44 PM »
but to balance out the reduction part i need +2 electrons


Who said that?! >:(

You need to balance the half reaction (reduction). The charges aren't balanced and remember you have 2 NO3- groups: two electrons are not enough... ;)

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Re: redox equations having trouble figuring this out
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2006, 04:03:38 PM »
wow i am confused

You are confusing yourself IMHO. Try to follow simple steps, don't try to do everything at the same time.
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Re: redox equations having trouble figuring this out
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2006, 04:09:56 PM »
but N2O3 is +3

this is why i keep thinking i have to add 2 electrons to the other side.

this is where i get confused.


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