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Re: Replacing the Gasoline Engine
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2006, 04:23:04 PM »
I agree, the mini nuclear reactor does sound like an interesting option.

I love gasoline engines but their inefficiency is SOO annoying.

I think we overhaul the entire transportation system. Make roads straight so...

We make cars big enough to fit a small rocket engine in it and run vehicles on a Hydrogen Oxygen reaction. It is highly renewable and cheaper. Plus it'll give you a rush you'll never believe.

We just need to make a few adjustments to road and teach people how to drive these new cars.
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Re: Replacing the Gasoline Engine
« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2006, 02:30:07 PM »


We just need to make a few adjustments to road and teach people how to drive these new cars.
man, people barely know how to drive right now, you give them a car with a small rocket engine and there would be more wrecks than now. people with their suv's think they own the road.
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Re: Replacing the Gasoline Engine
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2006, 08:17:16 PM »


We just need to make a few adjustments to road and teach people how to drive these new cars.
man, people barely know how to drive right now, you give them a car with a small rocket engine and there would be more wrecks than now. people with their suv's think they own the road.

then vote for bikes or the end of cars :D
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Re: Replacing the Gasoline Engine
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2006, 11:13:06 PM »

then vote for bikes or the end of cars :D

bikes are no fun. the end of cars would be the end of the world, that is a huge market, and a huge part of our economy.
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Re: Replacing the Gasoline Engine
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2006, 11:14:54 PM »
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bikes are no fun.

I like bikes and think they are fun :)

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the end of cars would be the end of the world,

LOL :D

I presume this is sarcasm ;)
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Re: Replacing the Gasoline Engine
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2006, 11:18:11 PM »
cars are seriously a large market. without the ability to travel long distances, then other markets would die down. cars are the basis of everything that has to do with the city.
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Re: Replacing the Gasoline Engine
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2006, 11:20:04 PM »
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cars are seriously a large market. without the ability to travel long distances, then other markets would die down. cars are the basis of everything that has to do with the city.

I agree, but this does not equate to the end of the world. Maybe the slowing of consumerism, greed, war etc etc... ::)
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Re: Replacing the Gasoline Engine
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2006, 11:21:51 PM »
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cars are seriously a large market. without the ability to travel long distances, then other markets would die down. cars are the basis of everything that has to do with the city.

I agree, but this does not equate to the end of the world. Maybe the slowing of consumerism, greed, war etc etc... ::)
if cars didn't die out gradually then we would have severe problems. i don't know about you but i love driving.
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Re: Replacing the Gasoline Engine
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2006, 11:23:45 PM »
I don't mind driving. I used to like it a lot more, but since my current job requires about an hour drive to get to work and an hour drive to get home it is a bit over rated now ;)
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Re: Replacing the Gasoline Engine
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2006, 11:25:49 PM »
I don't mind driving. I used to like it a lot more, but since my current job requires about an hour drive to get to work and an hour drive to get home it is a bit over rated now ;)
yeah, driving to work isn't very fun, and there are only a few open twisty roads left.
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Re: Replacing the Gasoline Engine
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2006, 01:38:41 AM »
I agree, the mini nuclear reactor does sound like an interesting option.

I love gasoline engines but their inefficiency is SOO annoying.

I think we overhaul the entire transportation system. Make roads straight so...

We make cars big enough to fit a small rocket engine in it and run vehicles on a Hydrogen Oxygen reaction. It is highly renewable and cheaper. Plus it'll give you a rush you'll never believe.

We just need to make a few adjustments to road and teach people how to drive these new cars.

.. that would be an interesting experience.... but not necessarily cheap and think about the range.    That and you need to find a way to drive enough Oxygen to allow the vehicle to work.

I voted for fuel cell vehicles though i am not to certain of their current applications.  I am aware of a fuel cell bike that has a 200 mile range on i think it was 10 oz. of hydrogen.  it has a 1 kilowatt nanofuel cell with a speed of 50 mph.  really really light.  should be out in the market on June or July in California (they have hydrogen pumps, according to what i have read).  either way, i do not see the application of hydrogen fuel cell cars in the future.  they require a large base, and large amounts of oxygen, but the amount of electric power that they generate (the prototype built by GM which costs around $5 million) is astonishing. 

a hydrogen car can be built now for about $350,000, and the reason is storage and the cost of the precious metals used in the fuel cell systems themselves.  the costs of a fuel cell has to decrease to $50 per kilowatt before it is competitive with the current automotive market and its currently at $1000 per kilowatt(may be achieved with advanced in nanotechnology or if an alternative catalysts other than platinum is found).

the advantage to this technology is that it will end dependance on oil or really any company for good.  since it is possible to generate the fuel to power such a vehicle in your own home, probably attach some solar panels to drive forth the process of electrolysis.  if on-board generation were possible to that would have little weight and would generate hydrogen in considerable amounts of pressure to generate the power necessary to power a car then i think that a fuel cell vehicles would have a strong market, now that the problems of storage would be solved and the range should be really really considerable.  my Solar Energy teacher once told me that the fuel cell that i had, a single cell, if provided by 1 Liter of water would run a very small engine from Miami to New York and back before the water was finished. 

that and fuel cells are the closest method of generating electricity i have ever seen, generating electricity in the ranges of 95-99% efficiency for a PEM fuel cell. 

I think that the brighest future is seen in another kind of alternative fuel.  perhaps Ethanol, some technology has been seen in this field, such as bacteria that dissintigrate organic materials into proof-199 ethanol that is able to be used on vehicles. 
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Re: Replacing the Gasoline Engine
« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2006, 08:51:32 AM »
the mini nuclear reactor is clearly the best option. it gives off the most power, has the most potential, however, we only need a way to harness that much power, or convert it to a micro-scale. maybe a nuclear submarine type device only miniature.
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Re: Replacing the Gasoline Engine
« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2006, 01:49:56 PM »
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Re: Replacing the Gasoline Engine
« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2006, 06:44:21 PM »
Imagine every car on the road with a mini-nuclear reactor in it. I think we'd of hit nuclear armageddon by now.  ;)

I like driving on empty back roads. No cops and lots of turns = fun. I've been playing Gran Turismo games since I was like 8. I treat turns as if I were racing usually.

I bet within the next 10-15 years we may start to see hydrogen fuel cell cars come down to semi-reasonable prices. By that I mean like $30-50K USD. Then the prices will just continue to drop until they're reasonable for the average person to by.

I think the biggest hurdle to getting people to switch to hydrogen, U.S. atleast, will be acceptance of a vehicle with less power in some cases. I love V8 engines personally although they're pigs on gas.
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Re: Replacing the Gasoline Engine
« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2006, 06:47:03 PM »
im a fan of four cylinders. probably because i drive one :P but it does get 25 mpg even the way i drive, i have a very heavy foot. no, i don't slow down for turns.


I like driving on empty back roads. No cops and lots of turns = fun. I've been playing Gran Turismo games since I was like 8. I treat turns as if I were racing usually.

what kind of car do you drive?
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