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#### billnotgatez

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##### Re: Environment
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2006, 07:38:58 AM »
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World population grew very slowly throughout human history, until the Industrial Revolution and the dawn of an age of fossil fuels. By 1900 it had reached 1.65 billion. It then multiplied nearly fourfold to 6 billion within a century.

<Tongue in cheek mode>
I got the above quote from the internet and we all know that it is more accurate than the newspapers.
</Tongue in cheek mode>

Do you still think that increase in population and industrialization has had no effect on tipping the ecological balance?

No one yet has answered my question.
When in recorded history did we have significant global cooling?
It did happen, when and why.

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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2006, 07:42:48 AM »
Fair enough, but I could be very cinical and say neither are the scientists! Unless thay shock and scare, no-one will fund their research into global warming. One volcano erruption emits more CO2 than most industries do in a year. Also, what I said is true about not knowing if we are coming from or going back into ice age (coming out I'd say).

there are also privately-funded scientists that do their own independent research, and this is where checking the scientists comes in. which scientists provided the information for the newspaper? the odds of the newspaper being biased to produce 'grand' results compared to the odds of scientists biased to do likewise, overall is more greater imho. therefore, it helps to double-check by looking up the source of the information.

now if i may ask again, where did the newspaper get its info from? im curious in looking it up to read more too

I'm afraid te Newspaper did not give a reference
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« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2006, 03:13:39 PM »
I was thinking last night about hydrogen burning engines/fuel cells. Both of these release water vapor as a byproduct. Right?

Water vapor traps heat.

Would hydrogen powered vehicles really solve global warming issues?

I'm all in favor of hydrogen powered vehicles because it's not releasing all the toxins the traditional gas burning vehicles do. Also it decreases the demand for oil, dramatically.
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#### lemonoman

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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2006, 04:18:31 PM »
My theory is, that even though water vapour traps heat...there's other places for it to go.  Carbon dioxide, at least at almost all the temperatures that exist on natural earth, is always a gas.  For all of the water pumped into the atmosphere, only a portion of it would remain as water vapour.  The rest would work its way into oceans, etc.

Which brings up the point...the sea levels would still rise, and we'd still have SOME of the effects of global warming...just for different reasons.

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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2006, 10:48:10 PM »
My theory is, that even though water vapour traps heat...there's other places for it to go.  Carbon dioxide, at least at almost all the temperatures that exist on natural earth, is always a gas.  For all of the water pumped into the atmosphere, only a portion of it would remain as water vapour.  The rest would work its way into oceans, etc.

Which brings up the point...the sea levels would still rise, and we'd still have SOME of the effects of global warming...just for different reasons.

even if it remained as water vapour; if the ozone depletion continues, OH- radicals may be formed from water and helped by ozone and sunlight managing to pierce through the lower levels of the atmosphere. they are known to be very reactive though whether that is good or bad... im not so sure myself.

hydroxy radicals are reputed to be able clear up pollutants by reacting with them(most notably hydrocabons), but i dont see how the new compounds are much safer.
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2006, 03:20:57 PM »
I think one big thing we could now though, and we have the technology to do it today, is start building nuclear reactors to replace current fossil fuel burning power plants. That would help with the CO2 problem some and also the other toxins that are directly produced by burning fossil fuels.

You could also add in solar power and wind power, although they are less reliable. Geothermal power plants would work too in some areas.
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