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Re: Natural Compound Synthetic Feedback
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2015, 12:00:22 PM »
Useful. Thanks for the sight. Just realized the proposed starting compound (diene) wouldn't be accepted for the project because it's more than 4 carbons in a chain  :-\ We can only use 4-carbon chain or less

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Re: Natural Compound Synthetic Feedback
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2015, 01:45:30 PM »
SHouldnt there be one more double bond after the diels alder reaction?

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Re: Natural Compound Synthetic Feedback
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2015, 02:43:28 PM »
D'oh!

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Re: Natural Compound Synthetic Feedback
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2015, 03:01:40 PM »
I modified the synthesis:

-the product from the condensation with methyl glyoxal, can be reduced with H2 to the molecule with one double bond

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Re: Natural Compound Synthetic Feedback
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2015, 04:50:15 PM »
We just covered amines. I'm surprirsed that the arndt-eistert reaction wasnt mentioned. Quite useful

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Re: Natural Compound Synthetic Feedback
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2015, 10:23:28 PM »
I modified the synthesis:

-the product from the condensation with methyl glyoxal, can be reduced with H2 to the molecule with one double bond



I underwent the mechanism for this reaction and came to an 1,2-diol intermediate. After toying with possible mechanisms beyond this point, I wasn't able to reach the proposed condensation at beta position.

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Re: Natural Compound Synthetic Feedback
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2015, 12:14:43 AM »
Forgive my stubbornness. Still working with the beta lactone as my starting reactant. Installed TMS group in place of malonic anhydride.


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Re: Natural Compound Synthetic Feedback
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2015, 12:59:16 AM »
In step one, methoxide will open the lactone.
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Re: Natural Compound Synthetic Feedback
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2015, 01:33:42 AM »
Thanks for the notice, revised.


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Re: Natural Compound Synthetic Feedback
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2015, 03:16:25 AM »
I modified the synthesis:

-the product from the condensation with methyl glyoxal, can be reduced with H2 to the molecule with one double bond



I underwent the mechanism for this reaction and came to an 1,2-diol intermediate. After toying with possible mechanisms beyond this point, I wasn't able to reach the proposed condensation at beta position.
The two hydroxyl groups will be eliminated by an E1cB mechanism and you will get a conjugated diene. Maybe subsequent hydrogenation won't work as well as I thought.
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Re: Natural Compound Synthetic Feedback
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2015, 09:34:56 AM »
I modified the synthesis:

-the product from the condensation with methyl glyoxal, can be reduced with H2 to the molecule with one double bond



I underwent the mechanism for this reaction and came to an 1,2-diol intermediate. After toying with possible mechanisms beyond this point, I wasn't able to reach the proposed condensation at beta position.

Why won't the Claisen product (cyclopentanedione) form?
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Re: Natural Compound Synthetic Feedback
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2015, 09:39:50 AM »
Because methyl glyoxal is far more electrophilic.

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Re: Natural Compound Synthetic Feedback
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2015, 10:09:34 PM »
But it will form more enolate and can form a five member end ring on addition to the ester. Try drawing your intermediate aldol product and look at all enolate reactions. A Claisen product is more acidic and will lead to a more favorable acid anion.
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