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Find mass of acid needed to heat?
« on: December 18, 2016, 06:02:55 PM »
Calculate the mass of arachidonic acid needed to warm a 500 kg bear from 5°C to 25°C. (Assume that the average heat capacity of bear flesh is 4.18 J g-1 K-1)
What I've got so far is:

q=mcdelta-T

500kgx4.18x20K= 41'800J= 41.8KJ.
I'm stuck on what to do after this

Combustion equation is: C20H32O2 + 27O2--> 20CO2 + 16H2O

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Re: Find mass of acid needed to heat?
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2016, 06:47:03 PM »
You need enthalpy of combustion of the acid. Was it given?
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Re: Find mass of acid needed to heat?
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2016, 07:11:09 PM »
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500kgx4.18x20K= 41'800J= 41.8KJ.
Check this calculations
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Re: Find mass of acid needed to heat?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2016, 08:49:33 PM »
You need enthalpy of combustion of the acid. Was it given?

No, that's where I am confused. The acid is arachidonic acid

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Re: Find mass of acid needed to heat?
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2016, 09:09:35 PM »
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500kgx4.18x20K= 41'800J= 41.8KJ.
Check this calculations

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500x4.18=2090

2090x20=41800

41800/1000=41.8

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Re: Find mass of acid needed to heat?
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2016, 09:34:56 PM »
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500kgx4.18x20K= 41'800J= 41.8KJ.
Check this calculations

Do I need to convert the Kg to grams before the calculation because that is what heat capacity is in (g^-1K^-1)?

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Re: Find mass of acid needed to heat?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2016, 02:42:38 AM »
Check by the dimensional analysis.

Find enthalpy of combustion by searching internet.
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Re: Find mass of acid needed to heat?
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2016, 03:05:39 AM »
You need enthalpy of combustion of the acid. Was it given?

No, that's where I am confused. The acid is arachidonic acid

Is there a table of combustion enthalpies somewhere in the book?

In what context (what are you studying right now) was the question asked?
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Re: Find mass of acid needed to heat?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2016, 12:45:57 PM »
Check by the dimensional analysis.

Find enthalpy of combustion by searching internet.

I found it on the internet at ΔH= -252.06. Once I found it I did: nacid= 41800KJ/252.06g KJ mol^-1= 165.83 mol

macid= 165.83mol x MM(304.47g mol^-1)= 50492g (1kg/1000g)= 50.49 Kg.

Is this correct? I converted the bear weight from Kg to g in the q=mcΔt calculation and am not sure if that is correct.

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Re: Find mass of acid needed to heat?
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2016, 01:03:39 PM »
ΔH= -252.06. [units missing]
Are you sure that this value concerns combustion?
Olmsted gives enthalpy of formation (see: google books) and student should calculate enthalpy of combustion using thermochemical data (for CO2 and H2O) from appendix. His answer is close to 1kg (this make sense since bears hibernate a few months long with continuous loss of heat and weight).
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Re: Find mass of acid needed to heat?
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2016, 04:23:44 PM »
ΔH= -252.06. [units missing]
Are you sure that this value concerns combustion?
Olmsted gives enthalpy of formation (see: google books) and student should calculate enthalpy of combustion using thermochemical data (for CO2 and H2O) from appendix. His answer is close to 1kg (this make sense since bears hibernate a few months long with continuous loss of heat and weight).

I Just did a quick internet search for the enthalpy of formation so i'm not 100% sure it was correct. What do I do after the q=mcΔT equation? I'm just confused on where to go after here

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Re: Find mass of acid needed to heat?
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2016, 04:43:44 PM »
Check google book link - ΔH0f = -636 kJ/mol
After calculation of enthalpy of combustion you should calculate how many moles fits to the heat needed (41800 kJ), then calculate mass of arachidonic acid. That's all.
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Re: Find mass of acid needed to heat?
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2016, 11:01:41 AM »
Books give tables of the heat of formation rather than combustion because from a "limited" (=huge but always insufficient) dataset you can deduce the heat of many more reactions, including combustions.

But you are supposed to make this deduction. That is, find the heat of formation of all reactants and products, and combine them to get the heat of reaction - here a combustion.

In this operation, especially for combustions, check carefully the aggregation state of the reactants and products, notably water, which can be liquid or gaseous. In a boiler it can be both, and this makes a difference in the harvested heat and the fuel efficiency. In a bear it must be both at the same time, since some water is excreted and some is perspired including in breath, so check for additional information, or maybe decide that fur animals perspire little.

Irrelevant in this present question, but important elsewhere: keep in mind that the heat of formation refers to the elements in their standard state, not to separated atoms.

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